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Looks like we have an interesting evening / night ahead in the UK!
Happy to be on the ground .....
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LONDON HEATHROW - EGLL - LHR
FT: TAF EGLL 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 1803 22025G40KT 9000 BKN014
TEMPO 0307 21032G45KT 3500 RA BKN012 PROB30
TEMPO 0307 21040G58KT
BECMG 0709 25020G30KT
TEMPO 0711 25025G40KT =
LONDON GATWICK - EGKK - LGW
FT: TAF EGKK 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 1803 22025G40KT 9000 BKN009
TEMPO 0307 21032G45KT 3500 RA BKN008 PROB30
TEMPO 0307 21040G58KT
BECMG 0709 25020G30KT
TEMPO 0711 25025G40KT =
MANCHESTER - EGCC - MAN
FT: TAF EGCC 071021Z 071812 18020G30KT 9999 -RA SCT012 BKN025
TEMPO 1804 18025G40KT 5000 RA BKN008
BECMG 0306 26028G40KT NSW SCT025 SCT040
TEMPO 0512 27035G50KT 5000 SHRA SHRAGS BKN015CB=
NEWCASTLE - EGNT - NCL
FT: TAF EGNT 071021Z 071812 18010KT 9999 -RA SCT010 BKN020
TEMPO 1803 4000 RA BKN008
BECMG 2124 19020G30KT
BECMG 0205 25030G45KT NSW SCT025
TEMPO 0612 27035G60KT 8000 SHRA=
GLASGOW - EGPF - GLA
FT: TAF AMD EGPF 070647Z 071206 23012KT 9999 SCT020
TEMPO 1218 22016G27KT 7000 SHRA BKN020
BECMG 1821 VRB08KT 7000 RA BKN018 PROB40
TEMPO 1806 3000 +RA BKN009
BECMG 0003 21025G35KT
BECMG 0306 26034G48KT =
EDINBURGH - EGPH - EDI
FT: TAF EGPH 070351Z 071206 23012KT 9999 SCT025
TEMPO 1218 23016G27KT 7000 SHRA BKN020
BECMG 1821 VRB07KT 7000 RA BKN020
PROB40 TEMPO 1806 3000 +RA BKN012
BECMG 0003 23022G34KT
BECMG 0306 25034G50KT=
Be safe up there!
[editied to change the EDI wxx into the 'preferred' format]
Happy to be on the ground .....
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LONDON HEATHROW - EGLL - LHR
FT: TAF EGLL 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 1803 22025G40KT 9000 BKN014
TEMPO 0307 21032G45KT 3500 RA BKN012 PROB30
TEMPO 0307 21040G58KT
BECMG 0709 25020G30KT
TEMPO 0711 25025G40KT =
LONDON GATWICK - EGKK - LGW
FT: TAF EGKK 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 1803 22025G40KT 9000 BKN009
TEMPO 0307 21032G45KT 3500 RA BKN008 PROB30
TEMPO 0307 21040G58KT
BECMG 0709 25020G30KT
TEMPO 0711 25025G40KT =
MANCHESTER - EGCC - MAN
FT: TAF EGCC 071021Z 071812 18020G30KT 9999 -RA SCT012 BKN025
TEMPO 1804 18025G40KT 5000 RA BKN008
BECMG 0306 26028G40KT NSW SCT025 SCT040
TEMPO 0512 27035G50KT 5000 SHRA SHRAGS BKN015CB=
NEWCASTLE - EGNT - NCL
FT: TAF EGNT 071021Z 071812 18010KT 9999 -RA SCT010 BKN020
TEMPO 1803 4000 RA BKN008
BECMG 2124 19020G30KT
BECMG 0205 25030G45KT NSW SCT025
TEMPO 0612 27035G60KT 8000 SHRA=
GLASGOW - EGPF - GLA
FT: TAF AMD EGPF 070647Z 071206 23012KT 9999 SCT020
TEMPO 1218 22016G27KT 7000 SHRA BKN020
BECMG 1821 VRB08KT 7000 RA BKN018 PROB40
TEMPO 1806 3000 +RA BKN009
BECMG 0003 21025G35KT
BECMG 0306 26034G48KT =
EDINBURGH - EGPH - EDI
FT: TAF EGPH 070351Z 071206 23012KT 9999 SCT025
TEMPO 1218 23016G27KT 7000 SHRA BKN020
BECMG 1821 VRB07KT 7000 RA BKN020
PROB40 TEMPO 1806 3000 +RA BKN012
BECMG 0003 23022G34KT
BECMG 0306 25034G50KT=
Be safe up there!
[editied to change the EDI wxx into the 'preferred' format]
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Dont forget us poor sods!
EGGW 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 1803 22028G42KT 9000 BKN012 TEMPO 0307 21032G48KT 3500 RA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 21042G60KT BECMG 0709 25020G32KT TEMPO 0712 25025G42KT
EGGW 071030Z 071812 22020G30KT 9999 BKN020 TEMPO 1803 22028G42KT 9000 BKN012 TEMPO 0307 21032G48KT 3500 RA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 0307 21042G60KT BECMG 0709 25020G32KT TEMPO 0712 25025G42KT
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I particularly like the way you've seperated out all the TEMPO, makes assimilating the info much easier.
Why have the Met Office given Luton an extra 2 knots tomorrow morning? Is it 'cos of their elevated position in the world? I'll be Northbound on the M1 past there at about that time; perhaps I'll be able to put the car into neutral and coast up to Northampton!!!
I feel for all those Airfield Ops folk up & down the country dealing with sets of steps on their sides, swivelling a/c that haven't been properly chocked/tied down, containers blowing about etc etc. Get it all faced into wind or tied down NOW!
Cheers,
The Odd One.
I particularly like the way you've seperated out all the TEMPO, makes assimilating the info much easier.
Why have the Met Office given Luton an extra 2 knots tomorrow morning? Is it 'cos of their elevated position in the world? I'll be Northbound on the M1 past there at about that time; perhaps I'll be able to put the car into neutral and coast up to Northampton!!!
I feel for all those Airfield Ops folk up & down the country dealing with sets of steps on their sides, swivelling a/c that haven't been properly chocked/tied down, containers blowing about etc etc. Get it all faced into wind or tied down NOW!
Cheers,
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It seems to me that the harder the wind blows in the South-East of England, the further back it goes, thus at 60kt it's often 210 or even 180. The only decent length runway in the SE that caters for this is STN. The rules say that when deciding on the QDM of a new runway, the average wind for xxyears must be taken into account. That might have mattered when all a/c were taildraggers, but ANY commercial a/c could cope with 270/25 on a 210 runway, so in my view, the rules need re-writing.
I contend that any new runway/s in the SE should orientate NNE/SSW, NOT E/W.
Of course, that won't happen 'cos there won't be any greenfield major airport development. The only runway that might qualify will be the parallel at STN. The LHR (and LGW, if it happens) are planned to be parallel with the existing...
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The Odd One
Shame BAA have decided to make EGLL RWY 23 no longer available for use at less than 12 months notice.
I contend that any new runway/s in the SE should orientate NNE/SSW, NOT E/W.
Of course, that won't happen 'cos there won't be any greenfield major airport development. The only runway that might qualify will be the parallel at STN. The LHR (and LGW, if it happens) are planned to be parallel with the existing...
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vlmboy...
Good luck into the LCY..... we have had reports (on Thames) of moderate to severe turbulence on departure, and an inbound North West of Detling gave the 3000 feet wind as 254/69.
At least it is 255 degrees on the deck - though there have been a few go-arounds already because of the gusts.
Good luck!!!!
(Heathrow have been in and out of EAT's this morning due to the 39 or so per hour landing rate (normally 43 or so))
Alan
Good luck into the LCY..... we have had reports (on Thames) of moderate to severe turbulence on departure, and an inbound North West of Detling gave the 3000 feet wind as 254/69.
At least it is 255 degrees on the deck - though there have been a few go-arounds already because of the gusts.
Good luck!!!!
(Heathrow have been in and out of EAT's this morning due to the 39 or so per hour landing rate (normally 43 or so))
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I would tend to agree, but not unreservedly. The majority, but not all, of the windiest days tend to be south westerlies. I recall just about 2 years ago winds at LHR of 55 kts down the runway when runway 23 would not have helped.
Then you have to think about the gusts, which usually results in the wind veering. I would rather land with the wind from the left so that any gusts tend to reduce to crosswind component, rather than increase it, as is the case in a westerly wind landing to the southwest.
We can certainly agree that landing into wind is easier than landing with a limiting crosswind! As such it would be preferable to have runway 23 available again than not - we of course will never see it again at LHR.
Maybe the answer is to have runways aligned 05-23 and 13-31, or then again maybe we need a 3000m floating pontoon the aligns itself into wind?
I would tend to agree, but not unreservedly. The majority, but not all, of the windiest days tend to be south westerlies. I recall just about 2 years ago winds at LHR of 55 kts down the runway when runway 23 would not have helped.
Then you have to think about the gusts, which usually results in the wind veering. I would rather land with the wind from the left so that any gusts tend to reduce to crosswind component, rather than increase it, as is the case in a westerly wind landing to the southwest.
We can certainly agree that landing into wind is easier than landing with a limiting crosswind! As such it would be preferable to have runway 23 available again than not - we of course will never see it again at LHR.
Maybe the answer is to have runways aligned 05-23 and 13-31, or then again maybe we need a 3000m floating pontoon the aligns itself into wind?
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Maybe the answer is to have runways aligned 05-23 and 13-31, or then again maybe we need a 3000m floating pontoon the aligns itself into wind?
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Warnings...
The Met Office has issued warning of severe weather. Looks like the N England and N Wales will bear the brunt of it......
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/.../warnings.html
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http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/.../warnings.html
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Updated TAFs ....
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LONDON HEATHROW - EGLL - LHR
FT: EGLL 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN014
TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 +RA BKN012
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT
BECMG 0709 26020G33KT
TEMPO 0711 26025G43KT
BECMG 1518 24015KT=
LONDON GATWICK - EGKK - LGW
FT: EGKK 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN009
TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 RA BKN008
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT
BECMG 0709 26020G33KT
TEMPO 0711 26025G40KT
BECMG 1518 24012KT=
LONDON LUTON - EGGW - LTN
FT: EGGW 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23028G42KT 9000 BKN012
TEMPO 0307 22032G48KT 3500 RA BKN010
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22042G60KT
BECMG 0709 26020G32KT
TEMPO 0715 26025G42KT
BECMG 1518 24017KT=
MANCHESTER - EGCC - MAN
FT: EGCC 071651Z 080018 19025G38KT 7000 -RA SCT010 BKN020
TEMPO 0004 4000 RA BKN008
BECMG 0306 25025G40KT 9999 NSW SCT025
TEMPO 0612 27033G52KT 8000 SHRA
BECMG 1316 25020G30KT=
GLASGOW - EGPF - GLA
FT: TAF EGPF 071744Z 080018 15007KT 7000 RA BKN014
TEMPO 0008 3000 +RA BKN007
BECMG 0408 24018G35KT
PROB40 TEMPO 0618 26034G48KT
BECMG 0609 9999 NSW SCT025
TEMPO 0718 8000 SHRA SCT020CB
PROB40 TEMPO 0718 4000 SHRASN BKN014CB=
EDINBURGH - EGPH - EDI
FT: TAF EGPH 071744Z 080018 14007KT 7000 RA BKN016
TEMPO 0009 3000 +RA BKN008
BECMG 0105 24025G37KT
PROB40 TEMPO 0818 25030G50KT
BECMG 0710 9999 NSW SCT025
PROB40 TEMPO 0818 8000 SHRA PROB30
TEMPO 0818 4000 SHRASN SCT015CB=
ABERDEEN - EGPD - ABZ
FT: EGPD 071619Z 080018 15013KT 9999 -RA BKN015
TEMPO 0010 4500 +RA BKN007
BECMG 0104 09015KT
BECMG 0407 20030G44KT
TEMPO 0710 2000 RASN BKN005
BECMG 0709 30035G50KT
BECMG 0911 25025G35KT=
NEWCASTLE - EGNT - NCL
FT: EGNT 071651Z 080018 19025G40KT 9999 SCT010 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 4000 RA BKN008
BECMG 0205 25035G50KT
TEMPO 0713 27040G65KT
BECMG 1417 25020G30KT=
BIRMINGHAM - EGBB - BHX
FT: EGBB 071601Z 080018 21028G45KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0005 4000 RA BKN012
BECMG 0306 24025G38KT
BECMG 1417 23015G25KT=
LONDON STANSTED - EGSS - STN
FT: EGSS 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN014
TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 RA BKN012
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT
BECMG 0709 26020G30KT
TEMPO 0715 26025G40KT
BECMG 1518 24015KT=
.... looks like the Geordies are favourites for biggest wind, but the 220/G58 at LHR might give the biggest crosswind - although I'd rather do that (as long as it's 27L) rather than the same wind at LGW (good 'ole Freddy)
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LONDON HEATHROW - EGLL - LHR
FT: EGLL 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN014
TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 +RA BKN012
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT
BECMG 0709 26020G33KT
TEMPO 0711 26025G43KT
BECMG 1518 24015KT=
LONDON GATWICK - EGKK - LGW
FT: EGKK 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN009
TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 RA BKN008
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT
BECMG 0709 26020G33KT
TEMPO 0711 26025G40KT
BECMG 1518 24012KT=
LONDON LUTON - EGGW - LTN
FT: EGGW 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23028G42KT 9000 BKN012
TEMPO 0307 22032G48KT 3500 RA BKN010
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22042G60KT
BECMG 0709 26020G32KT
TEMPO 0715 26025G42KT
BECMG 1518 24017KT=
MANCHESTER - EGCC - MAN
FT: EGCC 071651Z 080018 19025G38KT 7000 -RA SCT010 BKN020
TEMPO 0004 4000 RA BKN008
BECMG 0306 25025G40KT 9999 NSW SCT025
TEMPO 0612 27033G52KT 8000 SHRA
BECMG 1316 25020G30KT=
GLASGOW - EGPF - GLA
FT: TAF EGPF 071744Z 080018 15007KT 7000 RA BKN014
TEMPO 0008 3000 +RA BKN007
BECMG 0408 24018G35KT
PROB40 TEMPO 0618 26034G48KT
BECMG 0609 9999 NSW SCT025
TEMPO 0718 8000 SHRA SCT020CB
PROB40 TEMPO 0718 4000 SHRASN BKN014CB=
EDINBURGH - EGPH - EDI
FT: TAF EGPH 071744Z 080018 14007KT 7000 RA BKN016
TEMPO 0009 3000 +RA BKN008
BECMG 0105 24025G37KT
PROB40 TEMPO 0818 25030G50KT
BECMG 0710 9999 NSW SCT025
PROB40 TEMPO 0818 8000 SHRA PROB30
TEMPO 0818 4000 SHRASN SCT015CB=
ABERDEEN - EGPD - ABZ
FT: EGPD 071619Z 080018 15013KT 9999 -RA BKN015
TEMPO 0010 4500 +RA BKN007
BECMG 0104 09015KT
BECMG 0407 20030G44KT
TEMPO 0710 2000 RASN BKN005
BECMG 0709 30035G50KT
BECMG 0911 25025G35KT=
NEWCASTLE - EGNT - NCL
FT: EGNT 071651Z 080018 19025G40KT 9999 SCT010 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 4000 RA BKN008
BECMG 0205 25035G50KT
TEMPO 0713 27040G65KT
BECMG 1417 25020G30KT=
BIRMINGHAM - EGBB - BHX
FT: EGBB 071601Z 080018 21028G45KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0005 4000 RA BKN012
BECMG 0306 24025G38KT
BECMG 1417 23015G25KT=
LONDON STANSTED - EGSS - STN
FT: EGSS 071630Z 080018 23020G30KT 9999 BKN020
TEMPO 0003 23025G40KT 9000 BKN014
TEMPO 0307 22032G45KT 3500 RA BKN012
PROB30 TEMPO 0307 22040G58KT
BECMG 0709 26020G30KT
TEMPO 0715 26025G40KT
BECMG 1518 24015KT=
.... looks like the Geordies are favourites for biggest wind, but the 220/G58 at LHR might give the biggest crosswind - although I'd rather do that (as long as it's 27L) rather than the same wind at LGW (good 'ole Freddy)
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I remember well the Oct 14th '87 hurricane in SE England - wind direction SSW. The same applied to Jan 25th 1990 SSW again. Historically Jan seems to be a very windy month so no surprises as to the present weather patterns. So it follows that runway orientation SSW or SW is definitely the best for the UK to deal with these regular atlantic weather patterns.
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On the early morning after the hurricane in Oct 87 I flew British Midland -Teesside - Heathrow on business, because the trains were stopped at Doncaster.
I can recall the spooky site of the M4 being empty ( or near to it) at 0800 ish as we landed and the sight of a windsock.... SHREDDED !!
We used the short NE/SW runway as I recall.
Any tales from aircrews airborne during the more severe phases of the storm??
FS
ps I am typing this now in NE England......it's getting kinda windy !
I can recall the spooky site of the M4 being empty ( or near to it) at 0800 ish as we landed and the sight of a windsock.... SHREDDED !!
We used the short NE/SW runway as I recall.
Any tales from aircrews airborne during the more severe phases of the storm??
FSps I am typing this now in NE England......it's getting kinda windy !
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Just completed 4 sectors between Manchester and London City and interesting to say the least ! A few guys diverted into Stansted and although it was close to limits we managed to get into City....but it wasnt for the faint hearted !
