Concorde aog at JFK
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From: Arizona USA
Just goes to show how really impractical Concorde is...fast, absolutely, sleek, yes.
But when you have to make a fuel stop (or delay departure), then it's suddenly not so fast, and the fuel cost is even more, with the stop.
Bring back the DC-7C....or even 707.
But when you have to make a fuel stop (or delay departure), then it's suddenly not so fast, and the fuel cost is even more, with the stop.
Bring back the DC-7C....or even 707.
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From: London & Edinburgh
Now come on 441A ... I think more of the world's pop would fly on the bird rather than on any old 707 .... still the best by far ...
now here's a thought .. when the economy picks up, why not take out the plans for Concorde that are in some Airbus vault, and build a few more models ... or is that plain stupid? (sorry about the pun!)
Jordan
now here's a thought .. when the economy picks up, why not take out the plans for Concorde that are in some Airbus vault, and build a few more models ... or is that plain stupid? (sorry about the pun!)
Jordan
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From: one dot low as usual
There is an AF Concorde on the ramp at Dulles. I thought AF had already stopped flying them? It's parked next to an old Dak though, so perhaps they're setting up a little museum in the corner?
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From: Falkirk,Stirlingshire,Scotland
Hi Jordan D,
I think it had something to do with the high tempreatures at LHR that day affecting the fuel load?
Not sure on the full technical reason
However I'm sure we will be enlighted soon.
Regards
TBS
I think it had something to do with the high tempreatures at LHR that day affecting the fuel load?
Not sure on the full technical reason
However I'm sure we will be enlighted soon.
Regards
TBS
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From: UK
EDDNR:
The "little museum" that they are setting up in a corner at IAD is probably the biggest aircraft museum in the world!
It is called the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Centre of the National Air and Space Museum which you might know alternatively as the Smithsonian. It is due to open soon.
The "little museum" that they are setting up in a corner at IAD is probably the biggest aircraft museum in the world!
It is called the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Centre of the National Air and Space Museum which you might know alternatively as the Smithsonian. It is due to open soon.
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Feed back on 0001 Friday 8th
If you disagree with what I report here, then take it up with the captain of the flight as all information as heard from the captain as I was sitting in 17c.
Departure delayed due to repair of a fault with the actuator of one of the engine vents required for supersonic flight.
We sweated in the cabin for 40 mins as it was one of those "We think we can fix it any second" faults and not worth putting us back in the loung. On reflection - they should have! The external air con truck could not handle the heat and it was a sauna.
We briefed for Gander stop as we were also limited on departure. We had to go out 27R, due to maintenance work on 27L, "Currently a ramp in the middle of the runway, due to resurfacing and that could damage the nose gear."
Made it in one hop, due to fuel saving exercises undertaken by crew. Flight time 3 hours 24 minutes. Some of us did rather wish that we had to make the stop in Gander!!
Yes, it was rather fun. But I won't talk about it here as I will never stop.
If you disagree with what I report here, then take it up with the captain of the flight as all information as heard from the captain as I was sitting in 17c.
Departure delayed due to repair of a fault with the actuator of one of the engine vents required for supersonic flight.
We sweated in the cabin for 40 mins as it was one of those "We think we can fix it any second" faults and not worth putting us back in the loung. On reflection - they should have! The external air con truck could not handle the heat and it was a sauna.
We briefed for Gander stop as we were also limited on departure. We had to go out 27R, due to maintenance work on 27L, "Currently a ramp in the middle of the runway, due to resurfacing and that could damage the nose gear."
Made it in one hop, due to fuel saving exercises undertaken by crew. Flight time 3 hours 24 minutes. Some of us did rather wish that we had to make the stop in Gander!!
Yes, it was rather fun. But I won't talk about it here as I will never stop.
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From: one dot low as usual
JW411 thanks for the info, I only saw two "museum class" planes there, Concorde and the Dak ;-)
Looks like Concorde will be WAT limited again today, so lucky pax possibly routing via Gander on todays service (PROB 20). Concorde relies heavily on fuel transfers for C of G and with full loads at the moment, the high temps are pushing the limits of flight planning.
Looks like Concorde will be WAT limited again today, so lucky pax possibly routing via Gander on todays service (PROB 20). Concorde relies heavily on fuel transfers for C of G and with full loads at the moment, the high temps are pushing the limits of flight planning.
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The flights are assessed one by one. On Friday, the captain advised of the possibility when we were in the lounge. He came through to use the PA.
During the flight he gave updates as to how the fuel burn was going. For example, external air temp was 10 degrees C higher than typical for the time of year and that persisted to more than the half way mark. We only had confirmation that we were going direct to NYC at the diversion point, just over two hours in. We made NYC in 3hrs 24mins.
Gander is chosen, I understand, since on departure the a/c can once again go supersonic on the 'hop' down to NYC and so make up some time.
During the flight he gave updates as to how the fuel burn was going. For example, external air temp was 10 degrees C higher than typical for the time of year and that persisted to more than the half way mark. We only had confirmation that we were going direct to NYC at the diversion point, just over two hours in. We made NYC in 3hrs 24mins.
Gander is chosen, I understand, since on departure the a/c can once again go supersonic on the 'hop' down to NYC and so make up some time.
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From: Manchester, England
A slight deviation from the matter at hand, but no doubt many Ppruners put in for the Concorde tickets up for grabs during its last week with BA - anyone heard anything yet? One can always hope, but I suspect that I will spend the rest of my leaf being jealous of PAXboy!
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Well CP, I wish I could have had all of the PPRuNe network along for the ride. I sat next to a retired fireman who was reasonable company but did bitch about a number of things. A fellow PPRuNer would have enjoyed it more, I suspect!
I plan a small item in the SLF forum shortly. Thus far - four days on - I am still bemused by the realisation of a boy hood dream.
I plan a small item in the SLF forum shortly. Thus far - four days on - I am still bemused by the realisation of a boy hood dream.
