Incident at FRA
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Court has sent him into intensive psychiatric care instead of jail, we are reading today in the press.
Mostly interesting, and reminding me to that young man (name: Rust) who managed to fly to Moscow, landing there in the center on the Red Place: also this man (like Rust !!) of the recent incident in FRA was known as an extreme mummy´s boy. Thank heavens, he obviously woke up, with the help of the controller at FRA tower (german media are distributing the whole transcript of the radio conversation). This tower controller earns our full respect !!!
Mostly interesting, and reminding me to that young man (name: Rust) who managed to fly to Moscow, landing there in the center on the Red Place: also this man (like Rust !!) of the recent incident in FRA was known as an extreme mummy´s boy. Thank heavens, he obviously woke up, with the help of the controller at FRA tower (german media are distributing the whole transcript of the radio conversation). This tower controller earns our full respect !!!
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Indeed ! I read the transcript this morning, full respect for the controller.
he even helped theguy landing the machine advising him on speed and nose attitude, etc.. knowing that the guy previous experience was on C172 only 16 years earlier, and that the Dimona is not exactly the same sort of bird ( e.g. no flaps but airbrakes ) with a totally different behavior on APP, he did a good job, OK the runway was quite long I agree....
he even helped theguy landing the machine advising him on speed and nose attitude, etc.. knowing that the guy previous experience was on C172 only 16 years earlier, and that the Dimona is not exactly the same sort of bird ( e.g. no flaps but airbrakes ) with a totally different behavior on APP, he did a good job, OK the runway was quite long I agree....
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Consequences?
The incident in Frankfurt has caused the politicians and press to go wild against the GA. They are planning the craziest restrictions to inforce on all GA airfields. My question:
How have the authorities in your country been reacting? Whether you're from the US, Australia, Canada, or any country in Europe... are you also feeling pressure for tighter security on your airfields? And I mean all airfields, including glider and ultralight fields...
Thanks for your replies.... und
keep flying! (hopefully)
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How have the authorities in your country been reacting? Whether you're from the US, Australia, Canada, or any country in Europe... are you also feeling pressure for tighter security on your airfields? And I mean all airfields, including glider and ultralight fields...
Thanks for your replies.... und
keep flying! (hopefully)
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unfortunately I haven't received any replies to my question 
but I am still interested in any info anyone can give. How are your countries dealing with these new European Regulations? How is security on small airfields being revised? Or our these regs being ignored?
but I am still interested in any info anyone can give. How are your countries dealing with these new European Regulations? How is security on small airfields being revised? Or our these regs being ignored?
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The biggest difference I noticed between the FRA incident and 9/11 plus the suizide 172 crash into BoA in FL was the strength of GA associations in the US.
I was waiting in the beautiful GA Port Authority "Lounge" at JFK when I saw an interview with the "famous/notorious" (your pick!) John King of King Schools. I was impressed how he and everyone from GA teamed up against the common perception of GA being the clear and present danger. I haven't seen this in Europe, but unsurprisingly the number of GA members is 10 times smaller
btw ATC Watcher: Mr. Otto Sch**y could not have been a worse pick. Wasn't he the one who in court defended members of the "Rote Armee Fraktion" (Red Army Fraction) the terrorist group active in Germany mainly in the 70s and 80s? Now he's the Minister of the Interior and comes up with ideas straight out of Orwell's 1984.
I'd better stop - I am getting angry. Bl00dy politicians
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AOPA with the FAA and others have developed a free phone number where you can report suspicious activities at GA airports
1-866-GA-SECURE
I was waiting in the beautiful GA Port Authority "Lounge" at JFK when I saw an interview with the "famous/notorious" (your pick!) John King of King Schools. I was impressed how he and everyone from GA teamed up against the common perception of GA being the clear and present danger. I haven't seen this in Europe, but unsurprisingly the number of GA members is 10 times smaller
btw ATC Watcher: Mr. Otto Sch**y could not have been a worse pick. Wasn't he the one who in court defended members of the "Rote Armee Fraktion" (Red Army Fraction) the terrorist group active in Germany mainly in the 70s and 80s? Now he's the Minister of the Interior and comes up with ideas straight out of Orwell's 1984.
I'd better stop - I am getting angry. Bl00dy politicians
no signature today...
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AOPA with the FAA and others have developed a free phone number where you can report suspicious activities at GA airports
1-866-GA-SECURE
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Events certainly change perspectives.
Prior to 11Sept01, the folks at the airport where I keep my private aeroplane were dead set against ANY type of security. About six months ago the airport administration sent a circular around to all tenents asking if enhanced security was desired...87% said YES.
The (higher) perimeter fencing with razor wire starts going up tomorrow. The police have regular patrols, day and night as there is a sub-station right next to the field. In addition, the city is thinking of hiring a nighttime security guard.
About three years ago found someone trying to jimmy the lock on my hangar...had him arrested on the spot. He spent six months in the county jail courtesy of the meanest sheriff in Arizona.
Prior to 11Sept01, the folks at the airport where I keep my private aeroplane were dead set against ANY type of security. About six months ago the airport administration sent a circular around to all tenents asking if enhanced security was desired...87% said YES.
The (higher) perimeter fencing with razor wire starts going up tomorrow. The police have regular patrols, day and night as there is a sub-station right next to the field. In addition, the city is thinking of hiring a nighttime security guard.
About three years ago found someone trying to jimmy the lock on my hangar...had him arrested on the spot. He spent six months in the county jail courtesy of the meanest sheriff in Arizona.
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Sq7777,
His name is Joe Arpio, a former DEA agent for thirty years.
One of his ads on the TV shows him standing right next to a blue neon "vacancy" sign with seven foot letters by the "tent city" county jail.
His message in the ad...do the crime, do the time.
His name is Joe Arpio, a former DEA agent for thirty years.
One of his ads on the TV shows him standing right next to a blue neon "vacancy" sign with seven foot letters by the "tent city" county jail.
His message in the ad...do the crime, do the time.
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Feeling sorry for 119.9? How about 120.8, 124.2 etc. and the diverse holding freqs? Personally I feel sorry for all colleagues and their pax in the GED, PSA, ETARU etc holdings, who were waiting and diverting due to this idiot in his motorglider.
Somehow I think the closure for over 2 hours of the airfield in FRA was a bit over the top. There is a sublime radar coverage in the area; I don't see the danger of aircraft landing at the airport when such an idiot is circling over the city. You might just as well evacuate every building in the city, as well as all the motorways, trains etc.
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Somehow I think the closure for over 2 hours of the airfield in FRA was a bit over the top. There is a sublime radar coverage in the area; I don't see the danger of aircraft landing at the airport when such an idiot is circling over the city. You might just as well evacuate every building in the city, as well as all the motorways, trains etc.
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@Pegasus77; Squawk777
The airspace was closed not just for fear of the motorglider hitting an airliner, but primarily to keep the airspace free for the phantoms and helicopters to maneuver. Sure, the phantoms were unnecessary, but at the time of the alarm that wasn't sure and by the time they got there (much too late if the situation had really needed them), there was no turning back. Mark it off as a test of the Alarmplan.
The whole city was evacuated... the skyscrapers, city streets, train station, opera house, etc. Evacuation of the subways was unnecessary, but everything else could be argued. Imagine if he crashed into the roof of the train station or on the Zeil and there had been NO evacuation? Then there would have been a out-cry the other way....
Now the EU wants all small fields fenced in, planes locked in the hangars only, sightseeing passengers body-checked, and more. My question: how are other countries handling these new regulations?
thanks!
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The airspace was closed not just for fear of the motorglider hitting an airliner, but primarily to keep the airspace free for the phantoms and helicopters to maneuver. Sure, the phantoms were unnecessary, but at the time of the alarm that wasn't sure and by the time they got there (much too late if the situation had really needed them), there was no turning back. Mark it off as a test of the Alarmplan.
The whole city was evacuated... the skyscrapers, city streets, train station, opera house, etc. Evacuation of the subways was unnecessary, but everything else could be argued. Imagine if he crashed into the roof of the train station or on the Zeil and there had been NO evacuation? Then there would have been a out-cry the other way....
Now the EU wants all small fields fenced in, planes locked in the hangars only, sightseeing passengers body-checked, and more. My question: how are other countries handling these new regulations?
thanks!
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WW1950!
Simple! They'll compete with each other. More tax money is going to be wasted on airport fencing and other useless crap. As one (or more) ppruner has mentioned before, all the hysteria outcry goes out to aviation and GA, but you could still turn a rental van into a WMD. That's what I call blowing smoke!
But I think that this incident might put an end to GA in Europe. GA will simply become unafforable.
RIP GA in Europe? I hope not ...
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one more thing. How do/did countries handle GA airport security in which terrorism was or is a clear and present danger? (NI, Israel)
Simple! They'll compete with each other. More tax money is going to be wasted on airport fencing and other useless crap. As one (or more) ppruner has mentioned before, all the hysteria outcry goes out to aviation and GA, but you could still turn a rental van into a WMD. That's what I call blowing smoke!
But I think that this incident might put an end to GA in Europe. GA will simply become unafforable.
RIP GA in Europe? I hope not ...
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one more thing. How do/did countries handle GA airport security in which terrorism was or is a clear and present danger? (NI, Israel)
