Bent Monach 757 at Gib
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Bent Monach 757 at Gib
Monach 757 currently sitting on the ramp at Gib with a very bent fuselage. It appears the unfortuate pilot made a less than smoth arrival and put several sizable wrinkles and ripples plus two 8 inch tears in the fuz. Boeing flew in from Seattle to look at it. Reckon they can fix it but the price may exceed the hull value.
From what i hear, the arrival was nothing unusual. The aircraft taxied to stand. Only then did they notice something was wrong.
This aircraft is the highest hours/cycles 757 in the world, this is why Boeing is very interested.
And yes i do work for Spotty M.
It may be scrapped if repairs like you say exceed hull value, damm shame, just had a new paint job
This aircraft is the highest hours/cycles 757 in the world, this is why Boeing is very interested.
And yes i do work for Spotty M.
It may be scrapped if repairs like you say exceed hull value, damm shame, just had a new paint job
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I recall seeing a 757 at Funchal a few years ago, maybe Monarch (the grey cells are going), with similar mishap.
Nose gear was right up thro' the fuselage but they managed a fix in-situ.
Gib is just as bad as Funchal for the unpredictable wind - sometimes a lot worse. Kai Tak was a walk in the park compared to these two. Pleased no one was hurt. Anyone got any pictures ???
Nose gear was right up thro' the fuselage but they managed a fix in-situ.
Gib is just as bad as Funchal for the unpredictable wind - sometimes a lot worse. Kai Tak was a walk in the park compared to these two. Pleased no one was hurt. Anyone got any pictures ???
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Ah Yes! Air Europe...I remember now - the mists of time are clearing!
EGGW - If this scale of fuselage distress resulted from a 'nothing unusual' arrival, then I am certainly intrigued to hear more.
EGGW - If this scale of fuselage distress resulted from a 'nothing unusual' arrival, then I am certainly intrigued to hear more.
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The reg is NC. This is the GIB incident which happened a few days back -- it got a mention a few posts down on this thread here (near the bottom of 1st page)
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I've been going in and out of Gib since 1968 and I would hardly describe the winds there as unpredictable. In fact the local wind effects at Gib are probably the most studied and best documented of just about any airfield anywhere. Yes there are problems, particularly on 27 with a Southwesterly. The down and up draughts on short finals have caught out a few people, but they are well documented and fully covered in the relevant pages of the approach plates.
Most of the "Gib Dramas" have occurred not because of the conditions, but through pilots pressing on with landings from destabilised approaches. At Gib (or anywhere) if it isn't right, throw it away, go around, and apply what you've just learned to the next approach.
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Gib is just as bad as Funchal for the unpredictable wind
Most of the "Gib Dramas" have occurred not because of the conditions, but through pilots pressing on with landings from destabilised approaches. At Gib (or anywhere) if it isn't right, throw it away, go around, and apply what you've just learned to the next approach.
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got anyone the aircraft ID?
highest TT of all 757īs in the world ?
can only be G-MONB/C or /D
all left manu plant between March and May 1983
(thats when I made my initial girl experience @ school)
highest TT of all 757īs in the world ?
can only be G-MONB/C or /D
all left manu plant between March and May 1983
(thats when I made my initial girl experience @ school)
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Ragbag.....
You are quite correct and I agree with all you say. You clearly have great experience of operating into Gibraltar.
I shall try and choose my words more carefully in future in the knowledge that I will be immediately corrected if I give the slightest incorrect impression in a post.
I shall try and choose my words more carefully in future in the knowledge that I will be immediately corrected if I give the slightest incorrect impression in a post.
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EGGW;
the high time 757 is G-MONB. This is an ETOPS 757 and has been flogged across the pond through the 90's.
G-MONC is non ETOPS, and may be the high cycle machine, I'm not sure.
the high time 757 is G-MONB. This is an ETOPS 757 and has been flogged across the pond through the 90's.
G-MONC is non ETOPS, and may be the high cycle machine, I'm not sure.
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Oh come on, Maglite, you pompous old git! Why not admit it gracefully, there is at least 1 person who knows more than you.
Para 1 : Correct
Para 2: Good!
Hard school!
Para 1 : Correct
Para 2: Good!
Hard school!
I'm pretty sure neither NB or NC were not flogged across the Pond as you say, or were occasionally, only as standby machines. The MTOM for both is lower than others in the fleet.
Anyway, doing longhaul means more ground time, less sectors, etc...
I only work for Spotty M mate.
Heard today that a brake problem might have caused the rapid de-rotation onto the nose gear.
Anyway, doing longhaul means more ground time, less sectors, etc...
I only work for Spotty M mate.
Heard today that a brake problem might have caused the rapid de-rotation onto the nose gear.
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NB i can assure you is an ETOPS equiped 757, as i spent many months in Bangor Maine turning it and numerous other 757's around in the early ninetees. Shame about 'NC' though it was the first 757 i flew on in 84, and is also the initials of my name.
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Intersting to hear that a brake problem may have caused the nose to bang on. I work for Gerbil Airways and have had a good nose around said a/c. It just so happens that the same skipper burst one or two tyres at Gib the week before when a brake locked on during landing. Its true that the conditions on the day were good for Gib (wind out of the west, which is what we pray for ). Gib is not a place to go to when the wind is south west, the limit for example from 190 deg is just 15 kts. It has to be said however that even on the best of days you'd want to hit the touch down zone if you were at max landing , as the end of the 1680m runway comes up sharpish. We have an unwriten rule that if you aint firmly down by the road (that crosses the runway) go around, and we do quite regularly. Got to say in closing that we at Grbil airways have a lot of sympathy for the pilot.There but for the grace of and all that.
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Ft.Lt.Mitty !
Yes I know it's a rough old life but it is always refreshing to know that someone will pull you up for putting a comma in the wrong place. Just like being at work really....come to think of it, it is just like being at home.........
Unlike some of our correspondants I don't believe Gib is totally predictable except perhaps when the wind is out of the west when it is quite benign. With the wind southerly / SW'ly you can often see the downdrafting air disturbing the surface of a calm sea - if conditions permit. Unfortunately it is often too late to do much about it. Being stuck to the runway by the road however is an excellent measure.
Yes I know it's a rough old life but it is always refreshing to know that someone will pull you up for putting a comma in the wrong place. Just like being at work really....come to think of it, it is just like being at home.........
Unlike some of our correspondants I don't believe Gib is totally predictable except perhaps when the wind is out of the west when it is quite benign. With the wind southerly / SW'ly you can often see the downdrafting air disturbing the surface of a calm sea - if conditions permit. Unfortunately it is often too late to do much about it. Being stuck to the runway by the road however is an excellent measure.