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Kuwait 777 high nose landing attitude at AMS

Old 23rd Aug 2020, 18:32
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Yep I didn't think it was fake, got no idea what the other guys are seeing
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 18:38
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Originally Posted by DIBO
minimal runway occupancy time, touchdown well beyond 1km from piano-keys
Nice try, but sadly Arrival ROT gets measured from when you cross the threshold, regardless of how much farther on you actually touch down.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 19:37
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Expat-pilots-fired effect?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 20:32
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Would someone like to comment on the slow deployment of SPOILERS.

As soon as weight on wheels switch is activated the spoilers should work immediately?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:08
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safetypee

I'm sorry but that's a lot of garbage you just wrote. No need to be a philosopher to explain what happened. If you have ever flown a Boeing you know this landing was abnornal no matter how you look at it.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 22:46
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Good Lord.
What a load of drivel is being postulated here. Surely better things to do / comment on?? In short guys: You weren't there!!
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 23:28
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Abnormal has many meanings, but to me it's simply a statistical occurence. that resulted in a safe outcome. To suggest that it might have been unwise depends on examination of many factors

From the passenger standpoint I doubt they even noticed
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 00:04
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Originally Posted by parkfell
Would someone like to comment on the slow deployment of SPOILERS.

As soon as weight on wheels switch is activated the spoilers should work immediately?
Honestly, it was a weird landing, so the thrust levers were not likely at idle at that moment (touchdown).

FCOM: "In the ARMED position, the speedbrake lever is driven aft to the UP position when the landing gear is fully on the ground (not tilted) and the thrust levers are at idle".
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 00:58
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I was looking at the windshield wipers in the second video.. way too detailed for a computer graphic. Not saying it wasnt heavily edited or enhanced but the plane looks real enough.
As for the wings not flexing, I guess it touched light.. look at the nosewheel extension ..

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Old 24th Aug 2020, 01:08
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Jumbo744,

I think safetypee knows a little more about flying than you do.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 01:50
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I don't get the fuss.

Looks like the crew didn't have a perfect picture of the runway until very short final, due to the rain squall. Saw they were a tad low once out of the rain shaft and made an adjustment with pitch and power to extend the touchdown. Then bobbled the flare due to forgetting they were already in near-flare altitude but carrying power (which also negated the auto-spoilers) and ended up feeling for the ground and yanking the power back after touchdown.

Sloppy and not pretty, but I have seen much worse - without all the screams from the spotters, nor anyone questioning the video.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 03:17
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Yet another reason to be impressed by the triple is it’s apparent cornering ability


I thought he’d end up in the weeds with the speed he took that turn off
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 04:01
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full
I don't get the fuss.

Looks like the crew didn't have a perfect picture of the runway until very short final, due to the rain squall. Saw they were a tad low once out of the rain shaft and made an adjustment with pitch and power to extend the touchdown. Then bobbled the flare due to forgetting they were already in near-flare altitude but carrying power (which also negated the auto-spoilers) and ended up feeling for the ground and yanking the power back after touchdown.

Sloppy and not pretty, but I have seen much worse - without all the screams from the spotters, nor anyone questioning the video.
Sloppy indeed.

There is a certain time to give away the approach and that time had well passed in my book.

Spin it however you want, The training department won’t be impressed. Well I certainly wouldn’t be if they were dealing with me.

I wonder how recent they flew. Recency is going to be a big issue going forward for operators. We have already seen a few blunders in recent months.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 08:54
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Looked like the rate of descent from 30 to 44 seconds was quite high (from this angle), then the float up to 51 seconds, then it looked like it was going to stall so nose down at the last seconds and landed on the runway. It would be interesting to know what the winds were like at that very second...
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 09:30
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I realize the camera lens foreshortens the distance and increases apparent angles but that exit speed and turn off from the centreline is nonetheless impressive- especially in the wet!
I wish they’d take the RETs like that here!!
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1
Jumbo744,

I think safetypee knows a little more about flying than you do.
That's fine. I've noticed the more someone says he knows a lot about flying, the lower his IQ is.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 10:19
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That's a suprising observation! Do you have evidence?
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 11:30
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A former colleague (ex-navigator) used to delight in saying that anyone with half a mind to be a pilot had all the right qualifications.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:00
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Flexing

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Am I missing something? The way the spoilers retract and the lack of wing flex upon landing looks like MS Flightsim 2020.
From 0:48 - 0:50 you can just about see some wing flex. This isn't a MSFS 2020 video however I am not dismissing the fact it could be fake.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:43
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How close were these people from the runway when the video was taken? Were they on the airside? We have all sat on the taxiways waiting for our turn to take-off. I have never seen a 777 float like that before. It may be possible if your Vref is very high, which means you are not on a stabilized approach. Any sane PIC would have called for a go around.
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