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Kuwait 777 high nose landing attitude at AMS

Old 23rd Aug 2020, 10:07
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Question Kuwait 777 high nose landing attitude at AMS

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 12:01
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is that what you call greasing it
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 12:34
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'Surprising' for a casual observer; the landing was different from the norm (their norm), but in the actual conditions, poor visibility, wet runway, gusty winds, - a good landing at the correct touchdown speed - as required.

Safety needs to look at what goes right, and not label the 'unusual' as an error; instead a well judged adjustment for the conditions.

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 12:34
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Appalling landing. And certainly not a “greaser”. And a smooth landing does not have to have a nose high attitude.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 13:29
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Training maybe, flared early and high, eventually pushed down before the tail hit.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 13:33
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possibly, also possible they suffered an undershoot shear sink and simply pulled back to stop the sink.....suffered a considerable speed loss and continued without adding thrust or indeed going around....
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 13:53
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'Sure looked like challenging meteorological conditions.....
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 14:16
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You can see the same landing from a different angle here:

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 15:00
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Am I missing something? The way the spoilers retract and the lack of wing flex upon landing looks like MS Flightsim 2020.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 16:12
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lol, Yeah that video is definitely not real life. Quite obvious if you look at it at a decent resolution.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 16:49
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Which video is fake?

Both look real to me, there is no 777 in FS2020 and that is most definitely a real background. The way the spoilers disappear is because of two clips being blended together.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 16:58
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Your perception on reality has clearly been lost if you think either of those videos are not recorded in "real life."
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 17:01
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The second is quite clearly not real.

First video looks like they shot a real video with no plane in it and added the CGI plane afterwards. The Dutch guy's verbal expressions of amazement are also extremely unconvincing. The YT account has no previous videos in it of any kind. A bit weird for a "Max Aviation" channel.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 17:04
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I thought the long body 777's have a tail strike protection system in the autopilot that will command a pitch down in the landing flare if it senses a tail strike is imminent.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 17:35
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Yeah looks like a fugazi to me.

The chap standing in his shorts and tee shirt In the pissing down rain gives it away....

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 17:55
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Yup second video definitely faked:

The grass is waving in the wind at the start - but the guy in field never twitches or changes his aiming point whatsoever,

At the point of touchdown (00.52 secs), the grass and tall wild flowers are rock steady,

At 2160p, (4K Def) the spray coming of the undercarriage looks CGI,

Finally, left wing correcting down when wind is from the right is just not on.

But even if it is MSFS, the rendering is better than anything I've seen so far.

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 18:09
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Originally Posted by Laurence25 View Post
Yeah looks like a fugazi to me.

The chap standing in his shorts and tee shirt In the pissing down rain gives it away....
Fake or not I wouldn't judge it on that guy. I can tell you that it was a warm day with short sharp local showers passing through. Different to Chester where it never stops raining!
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 18:14
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It is most definitely not from MSFS 2020, there is not even a 777 available for it.
If its CGI added on top of another video then its extremely well done. Speaking as a 777 pilot of nearly 12 yrs, look at the detail in the wheel wells, undercarriage, flap track fairings etc. Also the wobble in the tailpane, reflections in the fuselage and heat blur and depth of field when passing infront of the KLM 737.
Truly top drawer cgi if it is
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 18:37
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Yup second video definitely faked
The author of the second video (assuming you mean the one linked in post #8) has more than 1500 videos on YouTube, almost all showing landings and takeoffs at Schiphol.

Are they all fake, too, or just this one ?
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 19:14
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Nothing fake.
This is the young guy who made the first video (or was it his girlfriend...) Here's the complete Dutch newspaper article.
Job well done minimal runway occupancy time, touchdown well beyond 1km from piano-keys, high speed exit at 2.4km

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