View Poll Results: Which of these two commercial airplane's do you think travells faster?tr
The new Boeing 747-400ER?
10
7.04%
Concorde?
132
92.96%
Voters: 142. This poll is closed
Boeing claims 747-400ER is fastest commercial airplane in the sky (what about Conc ?)
Don't bother, they most likely won't reply.
It's like the copy of "From the Earth to the Moon", by HBO. I was truly shocked to see on the cover the words "... Alan Shepard, the first man in space ..."
I emailed them, but they ignored me as well.
I wouldn't have quite put it the way Canberra did, but in essence he's right.
It's like the copy of "From the Earth to the Moon", by HBO. I was truly shocked to see on the cover the words "... Alan Shepard, the first man in space ..."
I emailed them, but they ignored me as well.
I wouldn't have quite put it the way Canberra did, but in essence he's right.
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Is Concorde commercial?
One might as well ask if St Pauls Cathedral is a cost effective product. No doubt some 17th century accountants went a bit pale when Chris Wren unveiled his plans. The world has a place for accountants I`m sure, but it`s not near me.
One might as well ask if St Pauls Cathedral is a cost effective product. No doubt some 17th century accountants went a bit pale when Chris Wren unveiled his plans. The world has a place for accountants I`m sure, but it`s not near me.
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Is concorde commercial?
Well, to answer this, ask yourself two questions.
1. Was it built for millitary reasons?[/SIZE]
2. Was it built as a private aircraft?[/SIZE]
NO !
It was built for commercial reasons.
Whether or not it is commercially PROFITABLE or not is irrelevant - it's still a commercial aircraft.
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Well, to answer this, ask yourself two questions.
1. Was it built for millitary reasons?[/SIZE]
2. Was it built as a private aircraft?[/SIZE]
NO !
It was built for commercial reasons.
Whether or not it is commercially PROFITABLE or not is irrelevant - it's still a commercial aircraft.
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WupWup:
Hmm, very sensitive over a non-issue are we?
Ya really have to point out that the Concorde is faster than a 747?
(Duh...
)
Perhaps you should go out more often, or at least respond to the ads for guaranteed penis enlargment...
Now get away from mom's computer, off you go.
Hmm, very sensitive over a non-issue are we?
Ya really have to point out that the Concorde is faster than a 747?
(Duh...
)Perhaps you should go out more often, or at least respond to the ads for guaranteed penis enlargment...
Now get away from mom's computer, off you go.
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Hi WupWup:
If Concorde is considered 'commercial', because it was originally built for 'commercial' reasons, then so was that American boondoogle, the 'Space Shuttle'. Now, I have admiration for both the Concorde & the Shuttle, but neither are 'commercial', even though both were originally built for so-called commercial ends. But, for argument's sake, ok, Concorde & the Shuttle are 'commercial'.
Sooooo, it's either the 747ER that's 'fastest commercial airliner', or the Space Shuttle! Sam
If Concorde is considered 'commercial', because it was originally built for 'commercial' reasons, then so was that American boondoogle, the 'Space Shuttle'. Now, I have admiration for both the Concorde & the Shuttle, but neither are 'commercial', even though both were originally built for so-called commercial ends. But, for argument's sake, ok, Concorde & the Shuttle are 'commercial'.
Sooooo, it's either the 747ER that's 'fastest commercial airliner', or the Space Shuttle! Sam
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Sam,
Here is a reality check:-
DC3 - slow commercial airplane (boeingspell)
Viscount - medium speed commercial airplane.
B747 - fast commercial airplane.
Citation X - faster commercial airplane.
Concorde - fastest commercial airplane.
Space Shuttle - Space Shuttle.
bozzo.
Here is a reality check:-
DC3 - slow commercial airplane (boeingspell)
Viscount - medium speed commercial airplane.
B747 - fast commercial airplane.
Citation X - faster commercial airplane.
Concorde - fastest commercial airplane.
Space Shuttle - Space Shuttle.
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Boris beat me to it, but what about the Citation X ? If memory serves me right, this is a M 0.92 aircraft. Ah well, what Boeing meant is probably "fastest commercial aircraft, built by Boeing, seating more than 400 passengers, with a MTOW in excess of 400 tons, built by Boeing, powered by US engines, offering fastfood heaters, built by Boeing, and you may safely stuff your sleak pom/frog non-profit making fuel to noise converter 'cause it wasn't built by Boeing or any other US company".
CV990
TU154M
VC10
Citation X
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CV990
TU154M
VC10
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Your all wrong. The fastest certified subsonic aircraft is the 727. Flight test all the way to Mach .98 Designed to cruise effortlessly at Mach .92 but then came the 70s gas crunch and everybody throttled them back and they never went back up.
The 727 is the last Boeing design that came from the guys that really knew how to build an airplane. Since then they are good airplanes, but not as good as before.
The fastest certified subsonic aircraft is the 727. Flight test all the way to Mach .98 Designed to cruise effortlessly at Mach .92 but then came the 70s gas crunch and everybody throttled them back and they never went back up. The 727 is the last Boeing design that came from the guys that really knew how to build an airplane. Since then they are good airplanes, but not as good as before.
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So what's all the hubbub with this Sonic Cruiser then? Obviously, extending the fuse of the trusty '72, and perhaps slapping on a threesome of afterburning -219s, should do the trick ...... maybe they lost the orginal design drawings in the move from Seattle
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Looks like you poms take this really to heart. Physically you are correct( M2.2> m.85-92), but10-15 years from now, the B747-400ERs will still be IN THE AIR, when your Concorde, all 13 of them, will be on sticks outside old air bases collecting bird crap!
Face it guys, unless you build somemore units and stop charging 3000.00 quid to go to the Big Apple. I doubt you will turn around the enevitable.:o
Saying all that, I am fond of it, I was also fond of Vampires and Venoms and Hunters and Vulcans and Comets and Spits and Sopwiths and........................................
Face it guys, unless you build somemore units and stop charging 3000.00 quid to go to the Big Apple. I doubt you will turn around the enevitable.:o
Saying all that, I am fond of it, I was also fond of Vampires and Venoms and Hunters and Vulcans and Comets and Spits and Sopwiths and........................................
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I'm sure Concorde will still be in the air in 15 years, making as much money as it has since it's inception in '73...NADA. So will the Space Shuttle, for similar reasons: national prestige. Gentlemen, I acknowledge the SShuttle & the Concorde are wonderfull commercially, as were the Brabazon and the Airship 100. Congrats!
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"The 747-400ER is the fastest subsonic commercial airplane currently in service. Our Sonic Cruiser will, when it goes into service, will take on that title.".
The Sonic Cruiser will take the subsonic title from the 74, but the Concorde will still beat it by miles (per hour)!!!!!
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Concorde was already making money in 1982. The surplus for the 82/83 fy was GBP10.2 million and in 1983/84 was GBP10.7 million.
All subsidisation ended in March 1984.
BA paid the government GBP 16.5 million, aquiring spares with a book value of GBP 120 million but actually worth less because they were mostly engine parts and useless for any aircraft but Concorde. Thereafter BA owned all 7 Concordes, all the spares and a partly cannibalised Concorde 202.
As for Concorde remaining in the air, initially the airframes were certified until 2008 (6700 cycles). Stress tests were carried out on G-BOAF and after the results were published, the CAA raised the limit to 8500 cycles which should see Concorde still being
the
fastest
commercial
airliner
in the world
until about 2015.
A further cycle limit extension also be available even after this date.
All subsidisation ended in March 1984.
BA paid the government GBP 16.5 million, aquiring spares with a book value of GBP 120 million but actually worth less because they were mostly engine parts and useless for any aircraft but Concorde. Thereafter BA owned all 7 Concordes, all the spares and a partly cannibalised Concorde 202.
As for Concorde remaining in the air, initially the airframes were certified until 2008 (6700 cycles). Stress tests were carried out on G-BOAF and after the results were published, the CAA raised the limit to 8500 cycles which should see Concorde still being
the
fastest
commercial
airliner
in the world
until about 2015.
A further cycle limit extension also be available even after this date.
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Where did people get the idea that concorde didn't make money? Sure it was a theory after production- but before the crash it was very profitable- and i'm sure will return to be.
Boeing 744s at .85 hey? Not with the number of A340s in the sky it wont be
Boeing 744s at .85 hey? Not with the number of A340s in the sky it wont be
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Wow! 0.85M - Boeing 40 years behind the drag curve as usual.
1960s VC10 cruising speed 0.84-0.86, certificated at 0.925 (I know - I have hand flown it at that speed).
What a drag it used to be crossing the altlantic stuck behind a 747 that could not go as high or fast as us.
Concorde (USA residents, note spelling with the "E"), makes money and always will. More than can be said for USAir, AA, Continental etc and Boeings Commerical airplanes division.
Take a look at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. The Rolls Royce Dart and 211 are there, along with a Harrier. Guess which nation conveniently forgets to mention that these firsts were designed in the UK? Last time I was there, Concorde didn't even exist (at least as far as the museum was concerned)!!!!!
God bless the USA - and enjoy your lonely, unfounded war with Iraq whilst the rest of us are doing something more sensible. Then you can save your "friendly fire" for your own troops for a change. You can win that one like you did Vietnam (ask Hollywood!).
Sits back and waits for Flak (which is NOT an American word but I guess we can expect them to claim it from the Germans!).
1960s VC10 cruising speed 0.84-0.86, certificated at 0.925 (I know - I have hand flown it at that speed).
What a drag it used to be crossing the altlantic stuck behind a 747 that could not go as high or fast as us.
Concorde (USA residents, note spelling with the "E"), makes money and always will. More than can be said for USAir, AA, Continental etc and Boeings Commerical airplanes division.
Take a look at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. The Rolls Royce Dart and 211 are there, along with a Harrier. Guess which nation conveniently forgets to mention that these firsts were designed in the UK? Last time I was there, Concorde didn't even exist (at least as far as the museum was concerned)!!!!!
God bless the USA - and enjoy your lonely, unfounded war with Iraq whilst the rest of us are doing something more sensible. Then you can save your "friendly fire" for your own troops for a change. You can win that one like you did Vietnam (ask Hollywood!).
Sits back and waits for Flak (which is NOT an American word but I guess we can expect them to claim it from the Germans!).
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VC10 or B747, hmmm what has staying power, which is still in production...
While at the air and space musuem, perhaps they will tell me the origin of the engine that powered the Mig15...a gift from you Brits.
Atlantic (Brit residents note spelling minus L)
Enjoy your next colonial war in Zimbabwe. We will come rescue you when you get in over your heads..again.
While at the air and space musuem, perhaps they will tell me the origin of the engine that powered the Mig15...a gift from you Brits.
Atlantic (Brit residents note spelling minus L)
Enjoy your next colonial war in Zimbabwe. We will come rescue you when you get in over your heads..again.
