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Old 5th Aug 2002, 14:09
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GI Joe Disarmed by Security

Can't be too careful!!

BBC News Online

Monday, 5 August, 2002, 10:11 GMT 11:11 UK
Soldier toy disarmed at airport

GI Joe's gun "had to be taken from him"

A doll caused a security alert at an American airport because its two-inch plastic gun was considered a dangerous weapon.
Judy Powell, 55, from Walton on the Hill, Surrey, bought the GI Joe toy in Las Vegas and packed it in her hand luggage.

But security staff at Los Angeles International Airport refused to let Mrs Powell on board the plane with the replica rifle.

Mrs Powell had to put the gift - minus the rifle - in her suitcase so it could go in the aircraft's hold.

If GI Joe was carrying a replica then it had to be taken from him

Mrs Powell said: "I was simply stunned when I realised they were serious.

"Security examined the toy as if it was going to shoot them and looked at the rifle.

"I was really angry to start with because of the absurdity of the situation.

"But then I saw the funny side of it and thought this was simple lunacy."

A spokesman for Los Angeles International Airport said: "We have instructions to confiscate anything that looks like a weapon or a replica.

"If GI Joe was carrying a replica then it had to be taken from him."
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If this is the standard of intelligence that they're up against, you can't help but think that the "terrorists" have an edge.
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"an edge"?

"an edge"?????

Let's give up now - they've won.
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American and Intelligence - 2 words that should never be used in the same sentance.

It is only a b****y toy, how many brain cells do these people have? surely you can tell the difference between a 2inch piece of plastic and a potentially dangerous weapon.

US - it is in the name!
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Possibly they may have been thinking of this GI Joe -
turn your audio on (quiet) -
http://www.gi-joe.co.uk/default.asp
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GI Joe

Well Just An Other Number, I hope you don't get busted and your computer confiscated.

What kind of other filth do you look for on the Net?

If you've got kids I hope they never look over daddies sholuder while he is whiling away the hours trawling for crxp like this.

Still, other Pruners will now know what they are dealing with when they read your posts.

Ugh!
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I flew with a F/O that had his 5 year son's GI Joe weapons seized by security at the gate leaving Honolulu. He was able to talk to the Captain after boarding the aircraft and the Captain retrieved the weapons.
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Can someone tell me when all of this happened ? I must have been asleep
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Well RODDERS, a rather revealing post.

It has been my experience that the incidence of idiocy in the USA is comparable with that of other countries, including the UK. Of course it is my belief that 90% of the world's population are idiots anyway, so I could be biased
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Only 90% as idiots? When did we start to improve?
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It looks as though the hunt is on for Joe's missing rifle...

Eighty-year-old Fred Hubbell, tired and cranky after facing a gantlet of searches at Bradley International Airport, made a sarcastic remark about a rifle that he quickly came to regret.

Suddenly he found himself in handcuffs - with a firsthand sense of what the Transportation Security Administration means by "zero tolerance."

It was a new experience for the retired engineer and World War II veteran. He got to stroll through the crowded concourse Thursday escorted by a state trooper while onlookers wondered if he was some kind of terrorist.

He had a mug shot taken. He was fingerprinted. He spent about 20 minutes in a locked holding cell, as his worried wife waited outside. He was read his Miranda rights and offered the chance to phone a lawyer, which he declined.

What Hubbell said, by his recollection, was innocent enough.

Near the end of the second full-scale pat-down he and his wife, Grayce, had undergone by Transportation Security Administration guards, just steps from boarding a 7:30 a.m. flight they had almost missed, he saw the screener poking into his wallet.

Having been a first lieutenant in the Army and owner of his own metal-plating business for 25 years, Hubbell said he is used to speaking his mind. Sometimes, he admitted, it has got him in hot water.

"I said, `What do you expect to find in there, a rifle?'" he said. When the trooper asked me, `Do you think that was an appropriate remark?' I said, `I do.'" That's when Hubbell was taken into custody by Trooper Wayne Foster.

Dana Cosgrove, head of the federal security force that moved into Bradley last week, sees it differently.

"What he said [regarding the wallet] was, `You better look at it real good; there may be a rifle in there.' And all that the people around him in the waiting room heard was the word `rifle.'"

Anxiety levels after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are high enough at airports, Cosgrove said, which is why cracks about guns, bombs or terrorism are cause for arrest. The airport's public address system issues regular reminders in both English and Spanish.

"I want to be sure that when people step on that plane they're 100 percent comfortable," Cosgrove said.

The exact words Hubbell said and how he said them are immaterial now. A Stratford native now living in Texas, he was on his way home after visiting a boyhood friend in Madison. The last thing he wants, he said, is a trip back to Connecticut to contest the charge.

Issued a citation for "creating a public disturbance," Hubbell said he will settle the matter by mailing a check to state Superior Court to cover the $78 fine plus court costs.

"I was a bad boy, and I know that," he said during a telephone interview Friday, "and I shouldn't have said what I said, especially under the circumstances that we're living under today."

But his misstep - which, of course, caused him and his wife to miss their Dallas-bound plane and got them home several hours later than expected - is an object lesson on what the Transportation Security Administration means by "zero tolerance." Hubbell actually got off easy: Most such arrests result in misdemeanor "breach of peace" charges, which require a court appearance.

State police Sgt. Paul Vance said the lesser charge was used for Hubbell because no threat was made, and "it wasn't a situation where a person became obnoxious or irate."

Hubbell had a similar impression of the way he was treated by the state police. Foster was firm but not accusatory, he said, and the two spent considerable time discussing the incident. "It was really quite a friendly affair," Hubbell said, "except for the fact that I have to pay 78 bucks."
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Is it the recruitment process or the training of these "screeners"?

Not having been to the USA recently, and thus having no personal experience, and relying on the various postings here - it seems that these people lack not only basic education and commonsense, but have abslolutely no knowledge of the real world.

And the question then arises: what is the point in having them?

I know - window dressing to satisfy the travelling public. Maybe the travelling public is part of the problem. If they're that easily satisfied good luck to them.
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I know to well how 'paranoid' the screeners are in the US, I was going through the "magic door' at JFK the other week, and the attendant said that I had to go through again, even in the crowded conditions, because, and I couldn't believe it, was because I had one of my hands in my pocket, I had to do it again with both hands showing!!
Then we followed that up with some really intelligent discussion about the danger level of having one of the flight crew actually board the aircraft with a 'lethal' pair of nail cutters in their possession!
After about 20 mins, I successfully got through.
My last comment to the senior security attendant, was something to the effect that he obviously wasn't hired for his intelligence level!

Reminds me of that scene in the movie 'Airplane' or 'Flying High', depending on which country you saw it, when the old lady was stopped by security to check through her purse, and whilst that was going on, several guys, of middle eastern appearance, walked through the 'magic door' with rifles, belted ammunition and machine guns slung over their shoulders, but the security guys didn't notice, they were way to involved in 'patting down' this little old lady, who had, of course, nothing of any significance on her.
Does this movie scene, made some twenty years ago, sound distressingly familiar, generally speaking?

Just thought I'd mention it,
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Well I haven't been to the US either, however, my American friends told me that for Airport Security, it's often a choice of becoming an Airport Screener or working behind the counter at McD's in terms of pay. I can't think that I'd be really happy about earning $5/hour and have to put up with impatient passangers to with the idea that I'm doing it for thair safety. Besides, pay peanuts, get monkeys (This of course is discounting the very dedicated member of security who ran his metal detector over a FULLY ARMED National Guardsman, who was reporting for duty, to check for concealed weapons - man that cracks me up )

The feel good factor has my backing DOME. No screening can be 100% effective anyway. Granted, there could have been a scalple in the guys wallet but that wouldn't stop me if someone threatened me with it while he was trying to take over the aircraft.
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You have hit the nail on the head, DOME...

I spend quite a few hours on the wrong side of the cockpit door during my many flights back and forth between Japan and the USA. During the most recent experience, in April this year, which was also my first trip to the USA since 9/11, I was quite simply stunned to disbelief at the measures being taken to ensure "security" at Stateside airports.

My wife, son (age 5) and I boarded in NGO after the usual business, no untoward hassles this side of the pond. We packed the usual family kit for a 3 week overseas trip, absolutely NOTHING, I thought, to be concerned about. No pocketknives, leathermans, nail cutters, eating utensils, or live dildos. The flight on the usual red, grey and white was uneventful and we arrived on schedule in Detroit.

Now I'm never particularly pleased about being a passenger on anything that moves, and NGO-DTW is a nice long haul, so needless to say I was ready to get transferred to our connecting flight to GRR post haste and be done with the whole experience, as I usually am.

After clearing passport check we headed toward the transfer area to get our bags to haul them through customs and drop them on the conveyor to be put on the next flight. There was a security checkpoint to be gone through, and we dutifully lined up. I went first, was cleared, and headed on. It was a moment later when I realized my wife was no longer trailing along, and with some consternation also realized that the flashing lights and associated commotion at the checkpoint were for HER...
I of course hurried back, only to find myself on a collision course with a living, breathing G.I. Joe with real loaded weapons, who warned me menacingly to stay clear. I explained it was my wife, what's the problem, etc... He ordered me to go to the other side of the room, which I flatly refused to do. He threatened to call the Dade county sherriff, an instinct I wholeheartedly told him I endorsed, if he wanted to make a complete fool of himself.

Meanwhile time is passing, my son is careening around the area like his thrusters, navigation and visual have gone completely off line, and poor Mrs. rotated, all 40 kilos of her, is standing helpless at the checkpoint, nothing moving past her at all except the comments of her fellow passengers, stacking up like sand in a plugged hourglass.

In answer to the 10 minutes of continuous frantic pages from the check booth a wizened old woman of about 70 years of age finally came scurrying up from somewhere. I had by now reached and uneasy truce with Joe; I agreed not to move too quickly and in return he hadn't begun shooting me or calling in the National Guard, a situation I felt comfortable with at the time. We were ushered to a table at the far end of the room where Mrs. r was ordered to remove her shoes, which were dutifully wiped with a little white circle of some cloth; the cloth was then placed into a machine on the table. While it whirred and buzzed, I questioned this frail little link in our national defense as to what she and her trusty machine were doing, and WHY. Her response, that the shoes were being tested for explosives, caused me to have such a fit of laughter that only the thought of Joe and his itchy trigger finger could stop me. That is, until she told me that my wife had been singled out for this first-class treatment because, concealed deep in her sewing bag, was an actual pair of SEWING SCISSORS (blade length 1.5cm).

As an American I take the events of 9/11 as seriously as anyone else. I knew some of the people in the Towers on that day; thankfully they all got out.

Much more difficult to lend an ounce of credulity to this half-a$$ed attempt to prove to anyone with a single living brain cell that the good ole' USA is "on the ball" when it comes to rectifying any of the security issues raised by 9/11 or subsequent incidents. Anyone with half a mind who has passed through a security checkpoint in the States KNOWS this is true; it is obvious that the majority of the staff couldn't land a job at burgers-r-us, thus were forced to accept the lower paying job of securing the airports of the United States against all comers, friend or foe.

Had we originated in the US I might have seen it...oh, yes, scissors, well,...I suppose we'll pick up some new ones at destination... The fact that Mrs. r had managed to "smuggle" them through the terminal at NGO, and had managed to keep them from hacking through the cockpit door or otherwise causing commotion or mayhem during the 12 hour flight that PRECEEDED the security check stands as a testament to her will and determination to confine their activities to clipping threads and thus not be completely BORED OFF HER A$$ during the 20 some odd hours of travel that is required for us to travel from one home to another, including the 30 minute connecting flight from which she was banned from posessing such a dangerous implement.

The terrorists have already won, if you count as a success the complete ineptitiue and confusion their activities have revealed. All we have done with these attempts to "satisfy the travelling public" is anesthesize any last living will and common sense that may have been present before the attacks. Like sheep to the slaughter, the American public, years ago having learned to cry for the laywers at the first sign of trouble and thus absolve themselves of all responsibility for anything whatsoever, is at long last being led down the final path to a world where reason is no longer a factor. The terrorists are only the sheepdog; the path one well prepared.

God help us all.
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Perhaps it was a 'Jihad Joe'.

But seriously, the agenda of the security screeners at US airports is seriously flawed. For example, every time I have been through the security checkpoint at Boston Logan, I have been selected for a special search despite being in uniform, while passengers, some of them of middle eastern appearance just walk through. And it's not just Logan (one of the biggest cock-ups of an airport I have ever come across IMHO). I generally notice that flight crew are selected (despite not looking too shifty) more regularly than the pasengers are.

I can appreciate that security should apply to everyone, but don't these muppets realise that flight crew are already on the flight deck and won't need weapons to force their way into the cockpit? Or perhaps they believe one pilot may try to disable the other and do something - as in a Tom Clancy novel. Better not let them know there's a fire axe in the cockpit.

Security effort would be better spent concentrating on the passengers and not checking the crew out of petty jealousy or whatever other motive that drives these individual's undeveloped cognotive process.
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American and Intelligence - 2 words that should never be used in the same sentance
...ahem.

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I thought Jim Henson was dead?? I was Wrong!! He Created a new Muppet placed him in view of all and then went into hiding from the rest of the world..... With Elvis, Marylin etc.

I always wondered what the inscription on the coat of arms on the wall behind the Presidents podium was...

"Sponsored by the Jim Henson Corporation"


With a leader of the "Most powerful nation in the World" like that, who can blame the security!!

Hows the tune go??... do do do do do do dooo.......

(at least they an remember the words to that one... Star Spangled Banner some what more difficult... I beleive Tony has almost learnt the first verse already!)
 
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Talking about Boston Logan, I was subject to two consecutive "random" checks, first at the security gate and then at the gate just before boarding. Probably should have bought lottery tickets that day. Or maybe it was because of my beard and french passport ...

How about that female screener in DFW asking me to remove my shoes and saying I put them down aggressively (dropped from 1 inch height) ...
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Tales from the metal detector

A great tongue in cheek article by one of my favorite scribes...
Mark Steyn - National Post I wasn't surprised to hear that airport security at Los Angeles had seized from a British granny the 2" toy rifle of a GI Joe she'd bought for her grandson. Nor by the news that security at Reno Airport inspected a woman's breasts to check it was only underwiring she had in her brassiere. Nor by the news that a Long Island mom boarding at JFK had been made to drink bottles of her own breast milk in front of other passengers to prove it wasn't a dangerous liquid. Here at the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, we regard these as important victories in the war against terrorism. Whether these three suspects are, indeed, the world's most wanted evil masterminds -- where's my secretary's Post-it note? Ah, yes, here we are ... Whether these three suspects are indeed the notorious Osama bin Lactate, Mullah Ol' Bra and Saddam Hippain it's too early to say, but we do know that it would have been all too easy to insert a toy miniature rifle in the top of the rubber nipple of a baby bottle, give it a surreptitious squeeze and send the plastic projectile flying into the aisle to give the stewardess a nasty nick in her pantyhose. The day that happens you'll know we're not doing our job.
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