Air Atlanta Beware!!!!
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From: North of Watford
Air Atlanta Beware!!!!
Had a good friend on the phone to me today who has now had his contract terminated by Air Atlanta the reasons they gave him were that he made unreasonable demands .
1.He wanted to be paid on time.
2. He wanted to be able to tell his wife where he was going to be in the world in the next 24 hrs
3. He also wanted to know when his days off might be so that he might just be able to spend some time with his nearest and dearest.
4. He didnt expect to be told that he could'nt go home on days off because the company might need him.
5. HE THEN OF COURSE EXPECTED FOR HIS CONTRACT TO BE TERMINATED WHEN HE REFUSED TO OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT WITH A TECHNICAL PROBLEM OUTSIDE THE RELIEF ACCORDED BY THE MEL.
I suggested to him that this is a company that is sailing very close to the wind and that he was better of out !
Incidentally my commercial flying days are now over . It is a sad inditement on our industry that it seems the very excesses of the less professional 3rd world operators are now percolating through to europe.
1.He wanted to be paid on time.
2. He wanted to be able to tell his wife where he was going to be in the world in the next 24 hrs
3. He also wanted to know when his days off might be so that he might just be able to spend some time with his nearest and dearest.
4. He didnt expect to be told that he could'nt go home on days off because the company might need him.
5. HE THEN OF COURSE EXPECTED FOR HIS CONTRACT TO BE TERMINATED WHEN HE REFUSED TO OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT WITH A TECHNICAL PROBLEM OUTSIDE THE RELIEF ACCORDED BY THE MEL.
I suggested to him that this is a company that is sailing very close to the wind and that he was better of out !
Incidentally my commercial flying days are now over . It is a sad inditement on our industry that it seems the very excesses of the less professional 3rd world operators are now percolating through to europe.
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From: North of Watford
Sorry JW Spelling has never been my strong point.
However please heed the warning! Just for info not a Big Airways type either just someone who realised long ago flying aeroplanes is just a job like any other. If as an airline pilot you think you are special think again .To the bean counter you are just a bus driver
However please heed the warning! Just for info not a Big Airways type either just someone who realised long ago flying aeroplanes is just a job like any other. If as an airline pilot you think you are special think again .To the bean counter you are just a bus driver
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From: Camp X-Ray
JW411 makes little attempt to disguise his contempt for BA crews and rarely lets facts get in the way of his opinions. He, presumably, would be more than happy to operate an aircraft outside the remit of the MEL, unlike those fussy old BA types.
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From: Arizona USA
Nothing new really...
It was not but for a very good reason that AirAtlanta was grounded in 1998....nothing has changed...and not likely too either.
The latest seems to be "outdated data bases in the 767 FMS's...as reported on PPRuNe earlier.
It was not but for a very good reason that AirAtlanta was grounded in 1998....nothing has changed...and not likely too either.
The latest seems to be "outdated data bases in the 767 FMS's...as reported on PPRuNe earlier.
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From: UK
Hand Solo:
I most certainly would not operate an aircraft outwith the remit of the MEL and it is a pretty serious allegation for you to suggest that I might.
I have however on several occasions in the past been asked to "bend the rules a bit". My usual response to this is to tell them that I am going to call the CAA (or whichever regulatory body is responsible) to seek their advice on how to interpret the rules. That usually does the trick!
What sounded familiar to me was not getting paid on time (or at all), my wife having no idea where I am, being asked to work on days off, short notice flights, lack of rosters etc etc. I have been on the receiving end of all of those!
I most certainly would not operate an aircraft outwith the remit of the MEL and it is a pretty serious allegation for you to suggest that I might.
I have however on several occasions in the past been asked to "bend the rules a bit". My usual response to this is to tell them that I am going to call the CAA (or whichever regulatory body is responsible) to seek their advice on how to interpret the rules. That usually does the trick!
What sounded familiar to me was not getting paid on time (or at all), my wife having no idea where I am, being asked to work on days off, short notice flights, lack of rosters etc etc. I have been on the receiving end of all of those!
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From: UK
Dear Saddest, Dear dear saddest
Since when can Iceland really be referred to as a 3rd world operator, having worked with Icelandic airlines in the past I think you will find they can be as highly regarded (if not more so) as
other operators.
Dont forget many of the European (3rd world!) airlines you talk about were operating to JAA ops rules long before UK carriers could make it in.
and finally.....regarding the grounding incident in 1998, this was created by a disgruntled ex-employee - i think many ex-employee's could ground any airline with enough knowledge.
rt
Since when can Iceland really be referred to as a 3rd world operator, having worked with Icelandic airlines in the past I think you will find they can be as highly regarded (if not more so) as
other operators.
Dont forget many of the European (3rd world!) airlines you talk about were operating to JAA ops rules long before UK carriers could make it in.
and finally.....regarding the grounding incident in 1998, this was created by a disgruntled ex-employee - i think many ex-employee's could ground any airline with enough knowledge.
rt
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From: EU
saddest aviator:
The word you were striving for was indictment not inditement.
The word you were striving for was indictment not inditement.
JW411, I bet you're a lot of fun to fly with... Why dont you sign up for Spelling Bee, or keep your comments to the issue thats being discussed!
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From: Montsegur
Unless there was an incident of which I am unaware, Air Atlanta were not grounded in 1998. What happened, if I recall correctly, was that the CAA briefly revoked the approval given to several UK airlines to wet lease aircraft from Air Atlanta.
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Good day all,
My only response to all this is as follows,
I have been flying with Air Atlanta now for around four years, we have certainly had our differences over that time, as I have had with any/all of my prior airlines, and about much the same things!
I have never ever been paid late, though we have certainly had some discussion regarding quantity, but, of course, that was with the crewing agent, not with AAI.
I am a flight crew member, ex air force, and can say with determined accuracy, I have never, nor will ever, operate an aircraft outside the laid down rules, and have delayed several departures over the years, some in relatively remote areas, to satisfy me, or to get the problem solved, and that situation will remain so long as I have my reputation and my licence to protect!!
AAI are certainly not perfect, but they can be regarded as a reliable, stable lease airline, and their performance over the last few years, generally speaking, shows that.
We, as contract employees, continue to strive for a better operation, and that is in the best interest of all concerned, we originate from airlines all over the world, and that is good for the company.
There are some really good people here, who like to live/work in these contract type airlines.
Cheers!
My only response to all this is as follows,
I have been flying with Air Atlanta now for around four years, we have certainly had our differences over that time, as I have had with any/all of my prior airlines, and about much the same things!
I have never ever been paid late, though we have certainly had some discussion regarding quantity, but, of course, that was with the crewing agent, not with AAI.
I am a flight crew member, ex air force, and can say with determined accuracy, I have never, nor will ever, operate an aircraft outside the laid down rules, and have delayed several departures over the years, some in relatively remote areas, to satisfy me, or to get the problem solved, and that situation will remain so long as I have my reputation and my licence to protect!!
AAI are certainly not perfect, but they can be regarded as a reliable, stable lease airline, and their performance over the last few years, generally speaking, shows that.
We, as contract employees, continue to strive for a better operation, and that is in the best interest of all concerned, we originate from airlines all over the world, and that is good for the company.
There are some really good people here, who like to live/work in these contract type airlines.
Cheers!
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From: Europe
3rd World
Anyone who has had anything to do with AAI would know that they are cutting corners, bending the rules and flying some pretty dubious equipment! The Icelandic CAA do cast a blind eye, but hey; lets face it, they don't have too many sources of income on that ice block of theirs now do they? I'd still like to know how it is that they actually renew validations of non-JAA licence holders. All other states stick to the 12 month rule laid down in the JAR-FCL.
I'm sick to bits of their manipulation of the law as well as their grab-the-money-and-run policies. It is about time that the real aviation authorities of Europe took hold of them.
I'm sick to bits of their manipulation of the law as well as their grab-the-money-and-run policies. It is about time that the real aviation authorities of Europe took hold of them.
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From: Gold Coast
"... are cutting corners, bending the rules and flying some pretty dubious equipment!"
I haven't seen this in the two years I've been with them.
True enough they make mistakes, but by & large everyone puts in the effort to make it all work as planned.
I haven't seen this in the two years I've been with them.
True enough they make mistakes, but by & large everyone puts in the effort to make it all work as planned.
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From: EurAfrica
18 Wheeler
Clearly you're related to the Ostrich! Only the Ostrich buries his head in the sand!
I spent 4 years with them. If you, after 2 years haven't seen what is being spoken about here, then either you don't know better, or you should pull your head out for some air!
I spent 4 years with them. If you, after 2 years haven't seen what is being spoken about here, then either you don't know better, or you should pull your head out for some air!