Paying for an interview??
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Surely if you don't want to pay go elsewhere! NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING, AIRLINES DO NOT EXIST FOR THE BENEFIT OR CAREER PROSPECTS OF PILOTS. Sit on your principles, someone else can take the job, if there are no takers then obviously Mr O Leary will have to change his policies, we shall see won't we.
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...Surely if you don't want to pay go elsewhere! ....
Quite right Seriph but it wasn't the point because that's exactly what the like minded do/will do.
I agree that no one owes anyone anything and that's why the 50 quids will be wasted for most of the applicants. It doesn't garantee you a job, let alone an interview.
....if there are no takers then obviously Mr O Leary will have to change his policies, we shall see won't we....
Pointless, I have already won and so has he simply because I won't apply, so he won't get my £££. Then again someone else (you ?) will and he will get the dosh. Fantastic!! Everyone is a winner
so don't change a thing for me, thank you very much.
We are all free to believe in one thing or another (what you refer to as principles), so keep doing what you do best and so will I.
Good luck!
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Quite right Seriph but it wasn't the point because that's exactly what the like minded do/will do.
I agree that no one owes anyone anything and that's why the 50 quids will be wasted for most of the applicants. It doesn't garantee you a job, let alone an interview.
....if there are no takers then obviously Mr O Leary will have to change his policies, we shall see won't we....
Pointless, I have already won and so has he simply because I won't apply, so he won't get my £££. Then again someone else (you ?) will and he will get the dosh. Fantastic!! Everyone is a winner
so don't change a thing for me, thank you very much.We are all free to believe in one thing or another (what you refer to as principles), so keep doing what you do best and so will I.
Good luck!
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Sorry to have so many opinions for a new boy! But I see a lot to comment on.
Clio Toros. I don't think it's about a blow to the prestige of pilots. I don't think it's to weed out the non serious (????) applications. I think it's a disgusting way to leech yet more money out of vulnerable individuals and should not be tolerated.
I personally am not a member of a union. If I was however (and prob 30 will be soon) I would expect the union to pronounce an employment ban on any companies that engaged in the practice of charging to read CVs.
Up the workers!
Clio Toros. I don't think it's about a blow to the prestige of pilots. I don't think it's to weed out the non serious (????) applications. I think it's a disgusting way to leech yet more money out of vulnerable individuals and should not be tolerated.
I personally am not a member of a union. If I was however (and prob 30 will be soon) I would expect the union to pronounce an employment ban on any companies that engaged in the practice of charging to read CVs.
Up the workers!
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Your entry says it all Biped. Airlines are responsible for protecting 'vulnerable' pilots, existing for their benefit, keeping them in their privileged and cosseted positions? And if they don't then you expect a trade union to wield a big stick. Well they can't, how RA is run is none of their business. The effectiveness of union action in placing recruitment bans is evidently nil.
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I'll sit on my principles for this one Clio Toros.
Sure there are folks who will pay the £50 but I will not. There are plenty of other airlines around so I don't think it is a case of cutting my nose off to spite my face either. To cough up the cash to get the licence is a big enough expenditure in my book. This airline shows itself up as being very cunning with this crafty move of theirs. They know that it's money, money, money all the way to the RHS and are taking advantage. Simple as that. If you think this is acceptable then thy name is sucker!
The shame of it. :o
VFE.
Sure there are folks who will pay the £50 but I will not. There are plenty of other airlines around so I don't think it is a case of cutting my nose off to spite my face either. To cough up the cash to get the licence is a big enough expenditure in my book. This airline shows itself up as being very cunning with this crafty move of theirs. They know that it's money, money, money all the way to the RHS and are taking advantage. Simple as that. If you think this is acceptable then thy name is sucker!
The shame of it. :o
VFE.
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Oh and another thing Clio Toros, what in the name of Hades has an employment scam got to do with so called pilot ego's? Talking rubbish mate - sorry but you are! It wouldn't happen in any other industry so why allow it into aviation?
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Seems to have dented your ego dearie. What's the big deal? Obviously Mr O Leary will charge if he can get away with it so go elsewhere. Getting into the rhs may be expensive but so are lots of other qualifications with much poorer returns.
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Bless him!
Indeed Clio my old dearie! But those who obtain those qualifications you talk of do not have to pay for an interview - which is the whole point I am trying to make out for you.
Anyway, pay the dosh and do whatever you want to do but when you grow up you will realise there are such things as principles.
Good luck,
VFE.
PS: Must say that had I started on the road to obtaining my qualifications there was (in theory) a situation where every airline was charging money to apply for an interview I would never had started the training.
I love flying and am sure I can offer something benificial to the industry but things like this are beyond my scope of what is right. Sorry.
PPS: I just knew you were going to make a reference to my ego mate! Sooooo predictable I wish I'd laid a bet with someone now!
Anyway, pay the dosh and do whatever you want to do but when you grow up you will realise there are such things as principles.
Good luck,
VFE.
PS: Must say that had I started on the road to obtaining my qualifications there was (in theory) a situation where every airline was charging money to apply for an interview I would never had started the training.
I love flying and am sure I can offer something benificial to the industry but things like this are beyond my scope of what is right. Sorry.
PPS: I just knew you were going to make a reference to my ego mate! Sooooo predictable I wish I'd laid a bet with someone now!
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Interesting that your choice of career is dependant upon having to pay for an interview VFE. Few company's refund expenses incurred in attending an interview, in principle where is the difference? I'd stick to weekend aviating if I were you.
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OK maybe that was a bit over the top but I think there is quite a difference in paying £50 for mearly a chance to get an interview and having travel expenses when finally called to one.
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I am very confused at the moment, I thought Ryanair was of Irish origin, but to me it looks like they havea very Scottish way about them. I am only a contract whore in Africa but when I heard about them charging 50 quid to read one's CV and one have to pay for everything after that to enable one to fly for them, I thought this was a new Irish joke!
I just hope African airlines dont get to hear about this rediculous practise because they will be peeved at not thinking of it first. I am willing to bet that they wil make the amount far more worth their while than £50. They will most probably better RA on the salary structure as well, as in you will have to pay them for flying for them for at least 3 years at a Captains pay, then 2 years at FO's pay, then you will be allowed to fly for free, for at least another 2.
My humble opinion is that if you have the inclination to pay RA to read your CV they are welcome to you. I hope it will be a fruitfull relationship as far as they are conscerned
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I just hope African airlines dont get to hear about this rediculous practise because they will be peeved at not thinking of it first. I am willing to bet that they wil make the amount far more worth their while than £50. They will most probably better RA on the salary structure as well, as in you will have to pay them for flying for them for at least 3 years at a Captains pay, then 2 years at FO's pay, then you will be allowed to fly for free, for at least another 2.
My humble opinion is that if you have the inclination to pay RA to read your CV they are welcome to you. I hope it will be a fruitfull relationship as far as they are conscerned
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The concept of having people pay "application fees" isnt a new Irish joke but an old American one. Looking through a copy of FAPA 1992 Magazine the following fees applied:
Alaska =$25
America West = $15
Southwest = $10
US Air = $25
Remember that this was just after the Gulf War when there was a glut of pilots, I dont know if these fees were still in force last summer when the situation was reversed.
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Alaska =$25
America West = $15
Southwest = $10
US Air = $25
Remember that this was just after the Gulf War when there was a glut of pilots, I dont know if these fees were still in force last summer when the situation was reversed.
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Clio Toros. Airlines cannot exist without pilots! Yet they find themselves in a position of power and exploit it! Because people tolerate it!
And as for me expecting unions to wield a big stick: united we stand. Divided we fall!
Up the workers!
And as for me expecting unions to wield a big stick: united we stand. Divided we fall!
Up the workers!
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Somebody asked how many other "professionals" have to cough up to get a job? Surely,when a young doctor or solicitor or lawyer has to come up with "Hello money" to get a slot in a practise,then this equates to the Ryanair scene. As someone has said,it's been the practise for years in the States and it will surely gain ground here,too.Unfortunately,it leaves newly-qualified(and newly-broke) guys like me out on a limb.It's nasty but,from what I hear,guys are finding the money and going onto that right-hand seat. We don't have the extensive third-level operator system that the Yanks have,where their pilots are traditionally sourced from.
As for Unions,they are a waste of space if you are a newly-minted bod.
regards
TDD
Somebody asked how many other "professionals" have to cough up to get a job? Surely,when a young doctor or solicitor or lawyer has to come up with "Hello money" to get a slot in a practise,then this equates to the Ryanair scene. As someone has said,it's been the practise for years in the States and it will surely gain ground here,too.Unfortunately,it leaves newly-qualified(and newly-broke) guys like me out on a limb.It's nasty but,from what I hear,guys are finding the money and going onto that right-hand seat. We don't have the extensive third-level operator system that the Yanks have,where their pilots are traditionally sourced from.
As for Unions,they are a waste of space if you are a newly-minted bod.
regards
TDD
