'Hero' passenger helps land plane
I am trying to understand the criticism of the captain's decision.
Not really sure what else there is to add.
Psychophysiological entity
There seems to be the general assumption that the remaining pilot will be okay. Murphy is just waiting for such scenarios and will apply Sod's law in an instant if the mood takes.
Let's just hop the poor old FO can keep his medial.
Let's just hop the poor old FO can keep his medial.
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A Lufthansa Boeing 747-400, registration D-ABVH performing flight LH-403 from Newark,NJ (USA) to Frankfurt/Main (Germany) with 264 passengers, was enroute over the Atlantic Ocean when the first officer became incapacitated due to severe head ache. The captain continued the flight to Dublin (Ireland) where the aircraft landed safely. The first officer was taken to a hospital.
A replacement crew was flown to Dublin and continued the flight reaching Frankfurt with a delay of 8 hours.
The airline confirmed a sudden illness of the first officer and later reported an off duty Boeing 767 captain of another airline volunteered and was accepted to assist for the remainder of the flight.
A replacement crew was flown to Dublin and continued the flight reaching Frankfurt with a delay of 8 hours.
The airline confirmed a sudden illness of the first officer and later reported an off duty Boeing 767 captain of another airline volunteered and was accepted to assist for the remainder of the flight.
The airline confirmed a sudden illness of the first officer and later reported an off duty Boeing 767 captain of another airline volunteered and was accepted to assist for the remainder of the flight.
He also must be breaking the law as he is not trusted to be in the big pointy end
(some the little sarcasm guy doesn't really sum my post up enough).Reckon it took the Captain all of 10 seconds to suss out whether the guy was a Walt or knew what he was doing at the sharp end.
Captain acted as I would have expected him to, Guest Pilot acted as I would have expected a professional to and reckon both will be dining out on it for a while..........enjoy it as you did the right thing.
Originally Posted by Mayday Hit Birds
In the event that my assisting pilot (also known as first officer) became incapacitated, I would definitely NOT summon external assistance from outside of the flight deck due to the obvious tragedies which were a direct consequence of the September 11th attacks. A captain should be fully capable of handling the flight on his own and unlocking the flight deck door may encourage any would be terrorists on board to attempt a hijacking.
Perhaps a disciplinary or even dismissal is needed for this so-called captain.
MHB
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Perhaps a disciplinary or even dismissal is needed for this so-called captain.
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Perhaps a disciplinary or even dismissal is needed for this so-called captain.
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Its more than slightly worrying that someone claiming to be an A340 driver can be so confused about probability and risk. That is a pretty extreme level of irrationality!
Bloody scary in fact.
Bloody scary in fact.
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The movie Airplane would make it a tough call if you are deflating.
The captain did what was safest for the flight and most US pilots would do the same. He could have continued the flight by himself and landed but did the safest thing and had a competent pilot in the empty seat to help.
Captains are required to use good judgement and he did. The hero thing the press put out is over the top but what else do you expect? CRM would agree 100% with his judgement.
The captain did what was safest for the flight and most US pilots would do the same. He could have continued the flight by himself and landed but did the safest thing and had a competent pilot in the empty seat to help.
Captains are required to use good judgement and he did. The hero thing the press put out is over the top but what else do you expect? CRM would agree 100% with his judgement.
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Auto land?
Have been listening to Irish media coverage all day: even I, as humble SLF, know that this situation was a fair distance removed from the 'narrowly avoided disaster' depicted by the hacks.
Got me thinking, though: given millions of flights per year, the possibility of BOTH 0a and 0b occupants going tits up cannot be completely discounted. What happens then? Can ground operations in any way control the aircraft? I guess the Helios crash would suggest not...but if so, why not?
Got me thinking, though: given millions of flights per year, the possibility of BOTH 0a and 0b occupants going tits up cannot be completely discounted. What happens then? Can ground operations in any way control the aircraft? I guess the Helios crash would suggest not...but if so, why not?
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Ladies and gentlemen is there a pilot on board?
Happened a while ago, and apologies if this has already been discussed:
"The flight from Newark to Frankfurt on November 19 was diverted to Dublin after the co-pilot suffered an incapacitating migraine.
Luckily there WAS an off duty pilot on board. A North American Airlines Beoeing 767 captain stepped up to the flight deck when requested. The hero pilot was also fully licensed to operate and fly the 747.
On landing the injured pilot was taken to hospital. The passengers waited for six hours for a replacement crew member to be flown in."
Full story here: Ladies and gentlemen is there a pilot on board? | The Courier-Mail
Despite the efforts of the media trying to make this a scare story, I felt all credit to the airline and the crew. Just wish they would report the positives more positively.
"The flight from Newark to Frankfurt on November 19 was diverted to Dublin after the co-pilot suffered an incapacitating migraine.
Luckily there WAS an off duty pilot on board. A North American Airlines Beoeing 767 captain stepped up to the flight deck when requested. The hero pilot was also fully licensed to operate and fly the 747.
On landing the injured pilot was taken to hospital. The passengers waited for six hours for a replacement crew member to be flown in."
Full story here: Ladies and gentlemen is there a pilot on board? | The Courier-Mail
Despite the efforts of the media trying to make this a scare story, I felt all credit to the airline and the crew. Just wish they would report the positives more positively.
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"The captain made a decision..all turned out ok
End of story
Can't believe the criticism"
Making up all sorts of after the fact "what ifs" to a situation that happened and DID turn out ok, is a great opportunity for some to demonstrate their supreme knowledge of aviation from the comfort of home; is exactly the same thing done by the often despised SOP Writing Management Monday Morning Quarterbacks; can often be the very same folks who criticise the media for hyping up what they call a fairly mundane aviation related story for ratings.
Covered all around. Job security.
End of story
Can't believe the criticism"
Making up all sorts of after the fact "what ifs" to a situation that happened and DID turn out ok, is a great opportunity for some to demonstrate their supreme knowledge of aviation from the comfort of home; is exactly the same thing done by the often despised SOP Writing Management Monday Morning Quarterbacks; can often be the very same folks who criticise the media for hyping up what they call a fairly mundane aviation related story for ratings.
Covered all around. Job security.
The armchair bureaucrats speculating on drunks/terrorists/Microsoft aces masquerading as 767 pilots are overlooking the obvious fact that the passenger concerned would be listed on the manifest as staff and very possibly identified as "Captain".
Given Boeing commonality, any pilot opting to operate as a one man band when such professional assistance/monitoring was available deserves to have serious questions raised as to his/her airmanship.
Given Boeing commonality, any pilot opting to operate as a one man band when such professional assistance/monitoring was available deserves to have serious questions raised as to his/her airmanship.
Why have some people brought up the Sioux City incident? Dennis Fitch worked for United and was known personally by the operating crew. He was not a stranger of unknown capability.
It is a completely different scenario.
It is a completely different scenario.
Scotsbill
Early newspaper versions of the story carried this comment, or similar.
Which seems reasonable, credible and sensible 
.
That now seems to have morphed into "can anybody here fly an airplane"
.
Early newspaper versions of the story carried this comment, or similar.
The pilot was identified through the passengers’ list
.That now seems to have morphed into "can anybody here fly an airplane"
.