Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner)
Reload this Page >

How Will This Storm Affect Flights

Wikiposts
Search
Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

How Will This Storm Affect Flights

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 26th Oct 2012, 18:37
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Belfast
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How Will This Storm Affect Flights

With the possibility of a major storm hitting along the US East Coast what affect will it have on flights, will they be cancelled or what airports could you divert to safely to avoid this storm considering fuel etc.

This is from National Weather Service Discussion, could be very serious if it happens


THE DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE (PARTICULARLY THE 00 UTC ECMWF) SHOW PRESSURE
SOLUTIONS WELL BEYOND WHAT HAS EVER BEEN OBSERVED NEAR THE NEW JERSEY/NEW YORK
COAST (EVEN EXCEEDING THE 1938 LONG ISLAND EXPRESS HURRICANE) EARLY IN THE
MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD.

Last edited by Thunderbirdsix; 26th Oct 2012 at 18:52.
Thunderbirdsix is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 18:45
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: any town as retired.
Posts: 2,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I am in Florida, it is passing now

Hope my return to EU is well south.

Landfall is a total guess at the moment.

Last edited by Gulfstreamaviator; 26th Oct 2012 at 18:46.
Gulfstreamaviator is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 18:48
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 2,584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, if NOAA re-wrote that in something resembling English we might stand a chance of figuring out what the heck it means.

If it is indeed important that's a shockingly irresponsible way to report it.
Agaricus bisporus is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 18:54
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Belfast
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If it is indeed important that's a shockingly irresponsible way to report it.
Sorry it was from the National Weather Service discussing the storm.
Thunderbirdsix is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:07
  #5 (permalink)  
More bang for your buck
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: land of the clanger
Age: 82
Posts: 3,512
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't know where that info is coming from as according to National Hurricane Center Sandy is unlikely to exceed a cat one hurricane:

Hurricane SANDY

Also: Hurricane SANDY Forecast Advisory
green granite is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:16
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: any town as retired.
Posts: 2,182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Lucky not an Italian prediction

Who would be held responsable, charged, arrested and jailed if landfall is NOT as predicted..
Gulfstreamaviator is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:16
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
THE computer prediction (PARTICULARLY THE 00 UTC ECMWF) SHOW PRESSURE estimates WELL BEYOND WHAT HAS EVER BEEN OBSERVED NEAR THE NEW JERSEY/NEW YORK COAST (EVEN EXCEEDING THE 1938 LONG ISLAND EXPRESS HURRICANE) EARLY IN THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD.

Does that help?

RE "only a Cat I": I asked the same question of my son, who's maintained a friendship with a NOAA scientist from a stint interning at NIST/Boulder. He responded "yes, Owen seems excited, so I'm excited."

But doesn't "Pressure well beyond what has ever been observed" get every pilot's heart beating pretty fast?
poorjohn is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:29
  #8 (permalink)  
Trash du Blanc
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: KBHM
Posts: 1,185
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cat I only describes the max winds. It does not indicate the size of the storm. Katrina was only Cat 4, but killed many more people than other Cat 5's in the same area because of her size. Storm surge is a function of speed, duration and fetch....

So, Sandy will dead center the most populous area in the US, at high tide, with a huge size. They're calling for 80 knot winds from Virginia to New England. Already estimating 1 billion in damage. They'll be kayaking in city streets....
Huck is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:32
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:36
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: UTUXA
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Forecast Discussion - NOAA's National Weather Service

A lot of reading here for those interested.
crispey is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 19:41
  #11 (permalink)  
Alba Gu Brath
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Merseyside
Age: 55
Posts: 738
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's not just Sandy that is giving the cause for concern. Coupled with a particularly deep winter storm to the west and a strong northerly air flow there is potential for a significant storm if all 3 come together. US media are dubbing it 'Frankenstorm' with estimates if damage up to $1billion.
Big Tudor is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2012, 21:51
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 27th Oct 2012, 16:06
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Surrey Hills
Posts: 1,478
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hurricane Katrina killed people because of lack of local Government attention [despite warnings] to rebuilding old and damaged levees and that much of St Louis is well below sea level.
The levees [when in good order] should have held a Cat 3 Hurricane [Katrina was Cat 3 at St Louis]

The number of Hurricanes to reach the US coast since doom laden predictions by Global Warming alarmists is the lowest for years.

By December 2011....
"New hurricane record – 2232 days and counting since major Hurricane made landfall on the USA – last record was year 1900"


Computer predictions for any weather are notorious for being way over any actual weather results. Doom laden by Al Gore sycophants.
aviate1138 is offline  
Old 27th Oct 2012, 21:03
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Ireland
Age: 50
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So will JFK be swimming tomorrow/monday

Is this a good time to invest in a JFK Kayaking service?

The forecast track of Sandy is seriously changing. ........do airlines expect to operate in and out of New York area on Sunday/Monday? Is New York expecting to shut up shop or all the Cool Hand Lukes getting called into service for Monday?

Regards
Shamrogue
Shamrogue is offline  
Old 28th Oct 2012, 12:16
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Greater Aldergrove
Age: 53
Posts: 851
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Selfish question...

Folks,

Is this likely to have significant impact on TA flights to Florida? I'm guessing less optimal routing at very least.
NWSRG is offline  
Old 28th Oct 2012, 13:33
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Folks,

Is this likely to have significant impact on TA flights to Florida? I'm guessing less optimal routing at very least.
Nope you should be good to go.
paulsalem is offline  
Old 28th Oct 2012, 15:25
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
NOAA aviation weather

FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 29th Oct 2012, 15:13
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Holy crap...look at the size of that thing!

(for you Brits and Tall Ship enthusiasts, the storm just sunk the HMS Bounty..)


Last edited by FlightPathOBN; 29th Oct 2012 at 15:33.
FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 29th Oct 2012, 20:33
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: engineer at large
Posts: 1,409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
FlightPathOBN is offline  
Old 30th Oct 2012, 03:57
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern Shores of Lusitania Kingdom
Age: 53
Posts: 858
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Horrible Made CGI---My Kids do it better
JanetFlight is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.