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Old 26th Oct 2012, 05:13
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End of the SQ Long Flights

According to the HuffPost, SQ is terminating the non stop flights between Singapore and the US... Newark and Los Angeles.

Singapore Airlines Ending World's Longest Flight

The article cites economics as the reason. I reckon carrying that much fuel to carry fuel does add up.
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These were Business Class only flights I think, certainly the Newark one was, this made them quite expensive.
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TG couldn't make their non stop A345 services to LA or New York work either operating a 3 class C60 J42 Y113 config either.

Used both the TG and SQ non stop services to LAX a few times and they were always full so would appear that the yields just weren't there.
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All Busness Class is a concept that has been tried several times, and never seems to cut it ecconomically.
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All Busness Class is a concept that has been tried several times, and never seems to cut it ecconomically.
BA with LCY-JFK seems to be turning a good margin.

I think their trump card is the ability to transit US customs in Shannon. Once airborne from Shannon you become a US domestic flight with a straight through immigration at the other end.
From what I understand their load factors and revenue per passenger mile are very good.
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BA with LCY-JFK seems to be turning a good margin.

I think their trump card is the ability to transit US customs in Shannon. Once airborne from Shannon you become a US domestic flight with a straight through immigration at the other end.
It will be interesting to see what happens from next week, when BA3 pax will no longer be pre-cleared at SNN.
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I can't imagine the EWR-SIN flight ever made much (or any) money, given the 18hr+ block time, the cost of fuel, aircraft, crews, landing/overflight charges, stand fees etc.

I don't know quite how much gas went onto that thing but the wingtips were distinctly bent downwards! Just the fuel alone would add up to $150,000+ and it had less than 100 seats...
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We know it's the non stop to the US when an aircraft needs to coordinate being unable to meet the height requirements on the SID with ATC.

I was told that fuel burnt towards the end of the 18-19 hour flight needed 4 times that amount loaded at the start. ie load a ton of fuel and use 750kg of it just to carry it. With high fuel prices it becomes more economical to stop half way and refuel rather than carry massive amounts of dead weight.
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The report refers to the 'gas guzzling A340-500'.

Not sure how a gas guzzling aircraft becomes the one used for the worlds longest flights?
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Wonder what Airbus will do with the returned A340-500s? They were already offering two brand new undelivered Kingfisher aircraft for $75m each - half price - with no takers. Not sure there are that many squillionaires out there for them to become bizjets. I'm sure Airbus would welcome ideas . . . . ?
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