Edinburgh Airport Pics 4th & 6th Sept 2012
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Edinburgh Airport Pics 4th & 6th Sept 2012
Not that interesting but thought id add a few pics from Edinburgh over the past few days.
Lennymuir, Tuesday
Turkish A319 TC-JLY
United Boeing 757-200 N17104 Landing
bmi Regional Embraer EMB145 G-RJXR
Easyjet A319 G-EZBD
BA A321 G-EUXF
Cityjet Bae 146 EI-RJX
EI-EFH again
Almondbank
Turkish A319 TC-JLY
United Boeing 757-200 N17104 departing back to Newark
Eurowings Bombardier CRJ900 D-ACNF
Lennymuir, Thursday
A bit dull today so pics weren't as great.
Thomas Cook (SmartLynx Airlines) YL-LCI Airbus A320
Monarch Boeing 757-200 G-MONK
Flybe (Loganair) SAAB 340 G-LGNL
Ryanair Boeing 737-800 EI-ENB
Jet2 Boeing 737-300QC 'Jet2 Faro' parked up at cargo awaiting its mail flights later in the evening
Lennymuir, Tuesday
Turkish A319 TC-JLY
United Boeing 757-200 N17104 Landing
bmi Regional Embraer EMB145 G-RJXR
Easyjet A319 G-EZBD
BA A321 G-EUXF
Cityjet Bae 146 EI-RJX
EI-EFH again
Almondbank
Turkish A319 TC-JLY
United Boeing 757-200 N17104 departing back to Newark
Eurowings Bombardier CRJ900 D-ACNF
Lennymuir, Thursday
A bit dull today so pics weren't as great.
Thomas Cook (SmartLynx Airlines) YL-LCI Airbus A320
Monarch Boeing 757-200 G-MONK
Flybe (Loganair) SAAB 340 G-LGNL
Ryanair Boeing 737-800 EI-ENB
Jet2 Boeing 737-300QC 'Jet2 Faro' parked up at cargo awaiting its mail flights later in the evening
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figgi, I don't pretend to be the world's greatest photographer but come on now mate, you have to admit that they are pretty awful. All are grossly underexposed and some out of focus too.
There are plenty of enthusiasts' sites from which you can see for yourself the kind of standards you should be aiming for before publishing your efforts.
Good luck.
There are plenty of enthusiasts' sites from which you can see for yourself the kind of standards you should be aiming for before publishing your efforts.
Good luck.
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figgi, don't despair, I was being cruel to be kind. We all have to start sometime, as I did. It's just that it might be a good idea to quietly learn on your own by trial and error, compare with photos on Airliners and various other similar sites, and begin to share when you feel that your own standards have reached an acceptable level. By the way, these sites also have forums where you can ask for tips, advice, etc.
By the way, I'm an amateur, just like you. I have no special training and I'm still learning every day.
By the way, I'm an amateur, just like you. I have no special training and I'm still learning every day.
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I enjoyed looking at the photos, 'without' judging, finding fault with the technical competence of the photographer or camera. Thanks for your post figgi gsm.
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Ps.Worked for fifteen years on Fleet Street as a pro snapper.
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When taking shots of aircraft, overexpose by about one stop, sometimes more. The lots of sky in the pictures tends to fool the meter into underexposure with auto exposure modes. Also when posting the photos on the site make them a smaller size ie maximum for this site is 850 pixels wide whereas yours are 1025 which makes viewing them more difficult. Don't take criticism too harshly, its all part of the learning curve. Good luck, and, what make/model camera is the new babe ?
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Figgi,
Perhaps with his obviously vast experience, HT would care to put some of his work on here.
Yes, they could do with a little 'tweaking' in whatever software came with your girlfriend's camera, but they're not bad, especially if you haven't used this camera very much. When I got my last pro Canon camera, I took some really rubbish stuff until I got used to it!
And I've been a professional film cinematographer for 30 years.
Perhaps with his obviously vast experience, HT would care to put some of his work on here.
Yes, they could do with a little 'tweaking' in whatever software came with your girlfriend's camera, but they're not bad, especially if you haven't used this camera very much. When I got my last pro Canon camera, I took some really rubbish stuff until I got used to it!
And I've been a professional film cinematographer for 30 years.
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The camera you are using is very capable and has facilities that could help you with your photos. The only thing it lacks compared with a reasonable DSLR is a viewfinder. Take some time to read the user manual which describes how to use the controls. There is a book by David Busch which gives further info- it has good reviews on some of the sites. I have a similar book from the same series for my camera.
I have looked at the exif info for some of the photos and see you have kept underexposure on when you are taking ground shots of aircraft as well as those in the air.
I always set up up my program settings for shots in the air and use the standard auto for those on the ground. You could do well to ensure that you are using the centre weighted exposure and centre biased focus. You should try also using the shutter setting which does a spread of exposure settings and see which gives the best image.
You could also try taking the pictures in RAW setting rather than JPG - it stores the image as seen by the sensor un-modified and also you more opportunity to tweak it. One of the great advantages of digital cameras is you can take loads of photos to practice - a luxury that those of my generation didn't have when we set out with the hobby. If you have a goodly sized memory card (at least 8Gb) which is a fast as the camera can take take loads of pictures with different settings and spend some time comparing before picking just a few of the best. I can easily delete 70+% of my photos after a session.
Good luck
The camera you are using is very capable and has facilities that could help you with your photos. The only thing it lacks compared with a reasonable DSLR is a viewfinder. Take some time to read the user manual which describes how to use the controls. There is a book by David Busch which gives further info- it has good reviews on some of the sites. I have a similar book from the same series for my camera.
I have looked at the exif info for some of the photos and see you have kept underexposure on when you are taking ground shots of aircraft as well as those in the air.
I always set up up my program settings for shots in the air and use the standard auto for those on the ground. You could do well to ensure that you are using the centre weighted exposure and centre biased focus. You should try also using the shutter setting which does a spread of exposure settings and see which gives the best image.
You could also try taking the pictures in RAW setting rather than JPG - it stores the image as seen by the sensor un-modified and also you more opportunity to tweak it. One of the great advantages of digital cameras is you can take loads of photos to practice - a luxury that those of my generation didn't have when we set out with the hobby. If you have a goodly sized memory card (at least 8Gb) which is a fast as the camera can take take loads of pictures with different settings and spend some time comparing before picking just a few of the best. I can easily delete 70+% of my photos after a session.
Good luck
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Figgi,
As Srobarts says, you can do a lot to improve these shots. First, can you set your camera to take pictures in RAW? I don't know your particular camera, but if it does, set it to take JPEG and RAW shots at the same time. It will take one of each automatically without you doing anything else. If it takes RAW shots, it will also have come with some software which you can use to manipulate the shots (brighten, sharpen, change contrast etc.). It will probably have some kind of software to manipulate your existing shots anyway, even if you can't take RAW shots.
If you really want to go mad and can afford it, Photoshop 'Elements' (£65.00 from Comet, Dixons etc.) will allow you to do things with your photos you won't believe possible until you try it!
As Srobarts says, you can do a lot to improve these shots. First, can you set your camera to take pictures in RAW? I don't know your particular camera, but if it does, set it to take JPEG and RAW shots at the same time. It will take one of each automatically without you doing anything else. If it takes RAW shots, it will also have come with some software which you can use to manipulate the shots (brighten, sharpen, change contrast etc.). It will probably have some kind of software to manipulate your existing shots anyway, even if you can't take RAW shots.
If you really want to go mad and can afford it, Photoshop 'Elements' (£65.00 from Comet, Dixons etc.) will allow you to do things with your photos you won't believe possible until you try it!
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Lukeafb1, with all due respects, I think that if poor Figgi is still trying to figure out how to use the camera, now is not the time to talk RAW and photoshop.
Figgi, at this stage forget all about RAW. In any case dual RAW/JPEG uses up lots of memory. Basic touch ups are possible with JPEG using software which will have come with the camera as Lukeafb1 points out. Were you using the automatic feature of the camera or were you in manual mode?
Oh and Lukeafb1, read my posts, did I pretend to be some sort of expert? Quite the contrary I think. I clearly stated we all have to learn. I just didn't think it wise to start an avalanche of "starter" photos on PPRuNe. It's not a photo forum. Did I ever take cr@p photos? You bet I did - and sometimes I still do. The only difference is that I don't show them off on forums!
Figgi, at this stage forget all about RAW. In any case dual RAW/JPEG uses up lots of memory. Basic touch ups are possible with JPEG using software which will have come with the camera as Lukeafb1 points out. Were you using the automatic feature of the camera or were you in manual mode?
Oh and Lukeafb1, read my posts, did I pretend to be some sort of expert? Quite the contrary I think. I clearly stated we all have to learn. I just didn't think it wise to start an avalanche of "starter" photos on PPRuNe. It's not a photo forum. Did I ever take cr@p photos? You bet I did - and sometimes I still do. The only difference is that I don't show them off on forums!
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Once again HT, you miss the point.
If Figgi's camera is capable of taking RAW shots, it will not make one iota of difference to the way he takes shots if he selects RAW/JPEG. The only negative point is that it will use more space on his card. At least you got that right!
As to your 'expertise', if you have the temerity to label Figgi's shots 'pretty awful' (which they are palpably not), you obviously consider yourself a cut above. And we still haven't seen any of your work!
If Figgi's camera is capable of taking RAW shots, it will not make one iota of difference to the way he takes shots if he selects RAW/JPEG. The only negative point is that it will use more space on his card. At least you got that right!
As to your 'expertise', if you have the temerity to label Figgi's shots 'pretty awful' (which they are palpably not), you obviously consider yourself a cut above. And we still haven't seen any of your work!
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Lukeafb1, you're obviously so focused on laying into me that it's YOU missing the point. I find your tone confrontational and you're obviously spoiling for a fight. Figgi chose to post his pictures here on PPRuNe. I gave my opinion and I fully stand by it. If you don't like my opinion that's fine, just as I don't share yours. I took aviation slides for more than 34 years and moved on to digital photography in 2009. I'm not a professional as clearly stated but I think I qualify to have an opinion, whether you personally like it or not. Now go and pick a fight elsewhere 
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I refer to your first post. A negative opinion which was totally uncalled for.
You don't like criticism do you, so why criticise Figgi?
You don't like criticism do you, so why criticise Figgi?
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A30yoyo,
You could be right, its a fairly common problem. Additionally, if Figgi is using a laptop, the angle he is viewing the screen at can make pictures appear quite different to the reality.
You could be right, its a fairly common problem. Additionally, if Figgi is using a laptop, the angle he is viewing the screen at can make pictures appear quite different to the reality.
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Don't be ridiculous guys. It is quite evident that they are under exposed from origin. You, as a professional cinematographer of 30 years, Lukeafb1, should be able to spot that a mile away. Makes me a little suspicious of your qualifications to comment! 