Dusseldorf Airport - Many aircraft landing in difficult conditions
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Dusseldorf Airport - Many aircraft landing in difficult conditions
An apology if this has already been posted.
This video offers an intriguing perspective and demonstrates the challenges of landing in difficult cross wind conditions.
Watch for the lightning bolt at the 7:05 mark!
As a passenger it gave me a deeper appreciation of the skills required.
YouTube scary plane landings video goes viral with 1.7m views in a month | Mail Online
This video offers an intriguing perspective and demonstrates the challenges of landing in difficult cross wind conditions.
Watch for the lightning bolt at the 7:05 mark!
As a passenger it gave me a deeper appreciation of the skills required.
YouTube scary plane landings video goes viral with 1.7m views in a month | Mail Online
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Someone told me after watching this video in the hotel crew lounge that any landing like that in the simulator is a sure fail in Alteon training centres...any truth to this?
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What about the trade winds at Auckland, Wellington or Honolulu? Challenging as well now and then, for some more, for some less. So the Girl´s and Boy´s doing what they getting paid for, flying a Bird.
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" UNSTABILISED " Go Around
Most of the landings in the video were highly unstabilised and yet the crew continued! Wow, looks like the myth about first world pilots being superior skygods with superior handling skills IS DEFINITELY BUSTED!
I would have thought those smart arse co-pilots would have taken over controls from their superior captains and gone around. Were they waiting for the PF to do cartwheels before hitting the TOGA buttons or slam the throttles to the Go Around detent?
I would have thought those smart arse co-pilots would have taken over controls from their superior captains and gone around. Were they waiting for the PF to do cartwheels before hitting the TOGA buttons or slam the throttles to the Go Around detent?
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Gerago
I think you have a different idea of what constitutes unstablised to me.
They all appeared to be on the glideslope. If correctly configured and within the speed ballpark, that is stablised.
You seem to think a bumpy approach = unstablised approach?????
I think you have a different idea of what constitutes unstablised to me.
They all appeared to be on the glideslope. If correctly configured and within the speed ballpark, that is stablised.
You seem to think a bumpy approach = unstablised approach?????
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I can only make a (forlorn) request NOT to respond to that post - it is a wind up (that's 'wind' not 'wind'
). See the 'qualifications' of Gerago and wait for this thread to be moved.
). See the 'qualifications' of Gerago and wait for this thread to be moved.
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Gerago,
If this was a comment made to be taken seriously, then it was poor and shows your lack of knowledge. A Stabilised Approach has several criteria, none of whom are necessarily infringed just by landing in a strong crosswind! Also, many airlines have crosswind limits for the First Officers to land with and I doubt they would do themselves any favors by taking over!!!
If this was a comment made to be taken seriously, then it was poor and shows your lack of knowledge. A Stabilised Approach has several criteria, none of whom are necessarily infringed just by landing in a strong crosswind! Also, many airlines have crosswind limits for the First Officers to land with and I doubt they would do themselves any favors by taking over!!!
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Well excuse me.
Thinking about the crosswind component as a fraction of reference speed -
I've shot similar landings in my favorite taildragger, and lived to tell about it.
Interesting footage, good instructional material, but heroic? Gimme a break.
Thinking about the crosswind component as a fraction of reference speed -
I've shot similar landings in my favorite taildragger, and lived to tell about it.
Interesting footage, good instructional material, but heroic? Gimme a break.
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Just another day at the office.
And Gerago:
"T'is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
And Gerago:
"T'is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
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A good opportunity for learning; useful video.
From the general behavior of the aircraft, it does not appear that the conditions were too close to any crosswind limit. Thus the crew ability / currency remains as the dominating factor. From the approaches shown all decisions appear to be good calls, including the go-around. For those who have done it before, an opportunity to renew skills, for those who have not done it, then time to observe and learn.
Ignoring the wing waggling, tracking the aircraft cg indicates a consistent windshear on short finals; both vertical and lateral.
Perhaps the only point of concern is during one of the takeoffs there appears to be some overcontrolling: – use of NWS at high speed?
From the general behavior of the aircraft, it does not appear that the conditions were too close to any crosswind limit. Thus the crew ability / currency remains as the dominating factor. From the approaches shown all decisions appear to be good calls, including the go-around. For those who have done it before, an opportunity to renew skills, for those who have not done it, then time to observe and learn.
Ignoring the wing waggling, tracking the aircraft cg indicates a consistent windshear on short finals; both vertical and lateral.
Perhaps the only point of concern is during one of the takeoffs there appears to be some overcontrolling: – use of NWS at high speed?
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Gerago...there you have it; massive loss of face for these fellas, therefore they try abusing you. Most of the aircrafts drift well off the centreline and things could easily have gone pear shape. And they claim that they were stabilised!!! Sigh...............where are those level headed first world aces when you need them to chatitise these bunch of pretenders?
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My my my, gerago...what feathers have you ruffled!
Now, several of the landings were really not ones that I would have continued with. To those gerago bashers, I will certainly not want to fly with you! Your standards must be abysmal.
Now, several of the landings were really not ones that I would have continued with. To those gerago bashers, I will certainly not want to fly with you! Your standards must be abysmal.
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On what basis are you saying that then? Do you know the stable criteria for each airline and aircraft? What parameters are unstable? They all look well handled to me.
What parameters are unstable?
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It very evident of who here on this thread knows the first thing about flying, not many. All this video is, is a rather boring video of aircraft landing in a crosswind.
If any of you believe that any of these landings were unsafe, stay in bed for the rest of your life.
'Much to do about nothing me thinks'*
* With apologies to Billy Shakespeare.
If any of you believe that any of these landings were unsafe, stay in bed for the rest of your life.
'Much to do about nothing me thinks'*
* With apologies to Billy Shakespeare.
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Secondly what's wrong with landing with drift? It is, depending on conditions, often the preferred method and can give a higher crosswind limit.
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Someone told me after watching this video in the hotel crew lounge that any landing like that in the simulator is a sure fail in Alteon training centres...any truth to this?
I would give a passing grade with full comprehensive debriefings on proper x-wind drift removal close to touch-down but I definitely would NOT FAIL the checkee. I live in the real world and wind gusts upon touchdowns are indeed sometimes very tricky. However it is a real stretch to say that they are " well handled ". We gotta have better standards guys.
A couple of those landngs should have been aborted...I do not agree with the uncouth tone of gerago but some of the crew should have just gone around. The b757 which went around unfortunately did not fare very much better the second time around. He landed with quite a bit of crab and drift ( real hard on the landing gears and tire scrubbing ) but the centerline control was fine.