632 people saved by seconds: How jets were just 37 feet from disaster
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632 people saved by seconds: How jets were just 37 feet from disaster
Another amazing failure at a US airport, which is not on the NTSB database, and with no sign of any remedial actions having being taken.
EgyptAir flight was just 37 feet from JFK's worst runway disaster | Mail Online
An EgyptAir flight that wandered into the path of a Lufthansa airliner on the runway at JFK International airport was just 37 feet from a catastrophy that could have claimed many hundreds of lives.
The incident in June was the most dangerous near-miss of the year at the New York City airport, according to a new report from the Federal Aviation Administration.
The German Lufthansa flight carried 286 passengers bound for Munich. The Egyptian jetliner carried 346 passengers headed to Cairo. If they had collided, it could have been the worst commercial air disaster in history.
The incident in June was the most dangerous near-miss of the year at the New York City airport, according to a new report from the Federal Aviation Administration.
The German Lufthansa flight carried 286 passengers bound for Munich. The Egyptian jetliner carried 346 passengers headed to Cairo. If they had collided, it could have been the worst commercial air disaster in history.
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Ooo I trust everything the Mail says, let's have a read....
Nah, s'all
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When I'm holding short of a runway, it's easily less thn 37 seconds before I could release the brakes, enter the runway and smash into a landing 747. Maybe I should sell my daily story to the mail too.
Nah, s'all
.When I'm holding short of a runway, it's easily less thn 37 seconds before I could release the brakes, enter the runway and smash into a landing 747. Maybe I should sell my daily story to the mail too.
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Read again
, Thats 37 FEET not 37 SECONDS.
Time for an eyetest?
You might (crudely) dismiss this but at least the Mail are doing just what the industry needs to do and looking at the potential consequences when assessing the risk.
If only all the media wre as dedicated to highlighting aviation risks as the Mail.
, Thats 37 FEET not 37 SECONDS. Time for an eyetest?You might (crudely) dismiss this but at least the Mail are doing just what the industry needs to do and looking at the potential consequences when assessing the risk.
If only all the media wre as dedicated to highlighting aviation risks as the Mail.
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I don't know if that is or is not in the NTSB database, but what is sure is it's already on PPRuNe, and that from the 'beginning'...
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...fk-runway.html
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...fk-runway.html
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The wind blew and COULD HAVE resulted in 40 million deaths..
Nothing like selling a story for something that DID NOT happen. And to begin your post with " Another amazing failure at a US airport " was just as misleading at the story itself.
Where was the failure ? If I read the story correctly, the US ATC at the US airport avoided the catastrophe that " could have been " by the PILOT who screwed up! There was no failure, too bad the story didn't read:
" Swift action by Air Traffic Controller at a US Airport prevents what could have been"
Where was the failure ? If I read the story correctly, the US ATC at the US airport avoided the catastrophe that " could have been " by the PILOT who screwed up! There was no failure, too bad the story didn't read:
" Swift action by Air Traffic Controller at a US Airport prevents what could have been"
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SassyPilotsWife thats not a credible accident scenario. Learn to use a bow tie analysis and you will see that.
Hotel Tango it is news because, as the Mail says, the FAA have finally released new information.
Hotel Tango it is news because, as the Mail says, the FAA have finally released new information.
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So you agree that if an aircraft with 286 POB was involved in a crash with another aircraft with 346 POB, and all of them died, then there would have been 632 fatalities, and it would have been worse than Tenerife?
Wow....insightful.
So do the NTSB investigate all runway incursions then?
Wow....insightful.
So do the NTSB investigate all runway incursions then?
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From avherald
"The FAA reported on Jan 3rd 2012 that the Egyptair Boeing 777-300 crossed the hold short line and came to a stop 37 feet short of the edge line of runway 22R, the Lufthansa Airbus came to a stop about 1500 feet before the Boeing"
Wouldn't like to be doing the carpet dance in the cheif pilots office that the 773 crew would have endured!
"The FAA reported on Jan 3rd 2012 that the Egyptair Boeing 777-300 crossed the hold short line and came to a stop 37 feet short of the edge line of runway 22R, the Lufthansa Airbus came to a stop about 1500 feet before the Boeing"
Wouldn't like to be doing the carpet dance in the cheif pilots office that the 773 crew would have endured!
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Learn to use a bow tie analysis and you will see that.
I don't think you have the balls.
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632 people would have died, 286 pax on one and 346 on the other. I presume the crew, being expendable, would not have been considered casualties.
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Crew at fault in 'scariest runway incident'
An investigation into what is being described as the "scariest runway incident" at JFK Airport last year has found an airline's flight crew was to blame.
The New York Post reports the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) found pilots of an EgyptAir Boeing 777 failed to follow air traffic control instructions during a flight on June 20.
As a result, the plane mistakenly taxied just 11 metres shy of a runway where it would have been in the path of another jet speeding towards its takeoff.
That plane stopped 457 metres from the EgyptAir jet, a distance that would normally only take six seconds to cover at the speeds they were travelling. The brakes on the plane taking off overheated from being jammed so hard in order to stop.
According to the FAA report, other pilots who observed the incident were "rattled", with one describing it as "quite a show".
"Those two were coming together," another pilot radioed in shortly after the incident.
The FAA's investigation has been forwarded to Egyptian air authorities
The New York Post reports the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) found pilots of an EgyptAir Boeing 777 failed to follow air traffic control instructions during a flight on June 20.
As a result, the plane mistakenly taxied just 11 metres shy of a runway where it would have been in the path of another jet speeding towards its takeoff.
That plane stopped 457 metres from the EgyptAir jet, a distance that would normally only take six seconds to cover at the speeds they were travelling. The brakes on the plane taking off overheated from being jammed so hard in order to stop.
According to the FAA report, other pilots who observed the incident were "rattled", with one describing it as "quite a show".
"Those two were coming together," another pilot radioed in shortly after the incident.
The FAA's investigation has been forwarded to Egyptian air authorities
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The FAA's investigation has been forwarded to Egyptian air authorities.
I thought the ICAO protocol was for the FAA to render the report to the U.S. State Department, which in return would send the report through official diplomatic channels to the Egyptian government, asking that they take action.
I thought the ICAO protocol was for the FAA to render the report to the U.S. State Department, which in return would send the report through official diplomatic channels to the Egyptian government, asking that they take action.
While we're at it the Daily Mail strikes again with their headline news (old of course)
BA passenger jet makes emergency landing after both pilots 'pass out' at the controls | Mail Online
BA passenger jet makes emergency landing after both pilots 'pass out' at the controls | Mail Online
