Cathy A330 Hover In Mid Air At Air Show
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misd-agin,
I believe the FBW system, later to be utilized in the A320 family, was fitted to an A300 airframe as part of the flight test/development programme? A bit of googling reveals it is F-BUAD
Airbus A300 F-BUAD ' Fly By Wire ' development a/c at Farnborough 1986 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
The same airframe is still flying as the Zero-G trainer.
Photos: Airbus A300B2-103 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
I believe the FBW system, later to be utilized in the A320 family, was fitted to an A300 airframe as part of the flight test/development programme? A bit of googling reveals it is F-BUAD
Airbus A300 F-BUAD ' Fly By Wire ' development a/c at Farnborough 1986 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
The same airframe is still flying as the Zero-G trainer.
Photos: Airbus A300B2-103 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Airbus Industrie have a 'standard' display sequence flown by all their aircraft from A318 up to A380. One part involves flying along the display line at low speed/high alpha in order to demonstrate the 'automatic' missed approach performance; I understand the handling pilot just opens the throttles and the aircraft systems take over, increase power and clean up the aiiframe to climb away.
That's what you're watching.
Can't remember which particular Farnborough this was, but I was there for every one between 1974 and 2008; it's 2002 or earlier 'cos the 'old' control tower (my place of work for 28 years) is still there, but I think there's a glimpse of the new (present) tower so it would be 2002.
That's what you're watching.
Can't remember which particular Farnborough this was, but I was there for every one between 1974 and 2008; it's 2002 or earlier 'cos the 'old' control tower (my place of work for 28 years) is still there, but I think there's a glimpse of the new (present) tower so it would be 2002.
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Dear gentlemen I am appalled, shocked, tired, depressed, angry, and above all I am surprised that nobody immediately convened a manifestation of indignation, led by Cathay management, against such childishness, superficiality, lack of professionalism, and the lack of respect of 'people's lives and properties, manifested by those my "colleague".
I am flying since almost fifty years ... (and I would do it for much longer despite the surrounding environment) and currently I’m teaching young people to get their wings.
I will not tell you how difficult it is to convince them that no matter how beautiful, the flight is a severe discipline (and episodes like that frustrate all my efforts).
We've all seen that those crazy maneuvers were conducted without adequate separation from the crowd, and, as the ceiling was well below the VFR minimum, at a terrifying low altitude, that the plane’s speed was very close to stall speed (but AIRBUS aircraft does not stall! !?!?), Sic!!!..., that if an engine failed the plane almost certainly would have screwed falling on the audience (but ‘Engines do not fail anymore!', and then what the meaning of: Vmcg, Vmca, V1, 2° nd Segment min grad , Max Perf. TOW, etc. is?)
I see many analogies between this and the inaugural flight of A320 in Mulhouse-Habsheim.
I hope this letter will inspire an outcry against this absurd event of unconsciousness, and that the name of the authors of the insane gesture is held up to public ridicule so they are no longer allowed to put at risk so many lives any more.
I am flying since almost fifty years ... (and I would do it for much longer despite the surrounding environment) and currently I’m teaching young people to get their wings.
I will not tell you how difficult it is to convince them that no matter how beautiful, the flight is a severe discipline (and episodes like that frustrate all my efforts).
We've all seen that those crazy maneuvers were conducted without adequate separation from the crowd, and, as the ceiling was well below the VFR minimum, at a terrifying low altitude, that the plane’s speed was very close to stall speed (but AIRBUS aircraft does not stall! !?!?), Sic!!!..., that if an engine failed the plane almost certainly would have screwed falling on the audience (but ‘Engines do not fail anymore!', and then what the meaning of: Vmcg, Vmca, V1, 2° nd Segment min grad , Max Perf. TOW, etc. is?)
I see many analogies between this and the inaugural flight of A320 in Mulhouse-Habsheim.
I hope this letter will inspire an outcry against this absurd event of unconsciousness, and that the name of the authors of the insane gesture is held up to public ridicule so they are no longer allowed to put at risk so many lives any more.
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This was taken at Farnborough in 1994 and I am surprised it has made an appearance as if it is something new. Doesn't show anything other than how controllable a large airliner can be at low airspeeds using modern technology.
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What are you on about. This a perfectly safe air display manoeuvre flown by test pilots. Nothing dangerous at all.
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What are you on about. This a perfectly safe air display manoeuvre flown by test pilots. Nothing dangerous at all.
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Dear Jimmy TAP
Although 'laconic' it is your opinion and 'I will fight against anyone who wants you not to have one'.
I have mine (grown with years and years of direct experience).
I don't think that the Airbus A 330 was built to perform aerobatic maneuvers.
Although 'laconic' it is your opinion and 'I will fight against anyone who wants you not to have one'.
I have mine (grown with years and years of direct experience).
I don't think that the Airbus A 330 was built to perform aerobatic maneuvers.
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Doves, the Farnbrough safety committee is one of the most stringent on the planet - not less than 100 feet agl, and the other side of runway from the audience. Transgress at your DA's peril...
I watched this display on a somewhat drier day that week I think (I'd agree, closer to 1994 than 2002?) , and felt no unease at all. This was not an aerobatic display in the slightest, but rather a lightly loaded and very nicely flown demonstration of the agility of the A330, which included the high alpha low speed pass shown; if I recall the commentary, the pass ended with the crew commanding a climb by pulling back on the stick and letting the auto throttles do their stuff.
The Mulhouse A320 accident was another matter entirely...
I watched this display on a somewhat drier day that week I think (I'd agree, closer to 1994 than 2002?) , and felt no unease at all. This was not an aerobatic display in the slightest, but rather a lightly loaded and very nicely flown demonstration of the agility of the A330, which included the high alpha low speed pass shown; if I recall the commentary, the pass ended with the crew commanding a climb by pulling back on the stick and letting the auto throttles do their stuff.
The Mulhouse A320 accident was another matter entirely...
It was indeed 1994 unless an A330 in CX livery also performed at a later Farnborough airshow as well.
Airbus wanted to display a RR powered A330 in front of RR's home crowd and there were only 2 flying examples in 1994, MSN 12, the first A330 built which had been re-engined with Trent 700's and was performing the bulk of the Trent A330 certification work and MSN 71 which was assisting and destined to go to CX when test flying was finished. MSN 71 performed the displays flown by Airbus test pilots (Bill Wainright is a test pilot name thay comes to mind). In March 1995 MSN 71 was delivered to CX and became VR-HLA (now B-HLA). The very slow pass was an Airbus trade mark and during the route proving part of testing MSN 71 performed a similar slow pass on arrival at Kai Tak on runway 13 much to all the spectators delight and surprise.
Airbus wanted to display a RR powered A330 in front of RR's home crowd and there were only 2 flying examples in 1994, MSN 12, the first A330 built which had been re-engined with Trent 700's and was performing the bulk of the Trent A330 certification work and MSN 71 which was assisting and destined to go to CX when test flying was finished. MSN 71 performed the displays flown by Airbus test pilots (Bill Wainright is a test pilot name thay comes to mind). In March 1995 MSN 71 was delivered to CX and became VR-HLA (now B-HLA). The very slow pass was an Airbus trade mark and during the route proving part of testing MSN 71 performed a similar slow pass on arrival at Kai Tak on runway 13 much to all the spectators delight and surprise.
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Dear gentlemen I am appalled, shocked, tired, depressed, angry, and above all I am surprised that nobody immediately convened a manifestation of indignation, led by Cathay management, against such childishness, superficiality, lack of professionalism, and the lack of respect of 'people's lives and properties, manifested by those my "colleague".
I am flying since almost fifty years ... (and I would do it for much longer despite the surrounding environment) and currently I’m teaching young people to get their wings.
I will not tell you how difficult it is to convince them that no matter how beautiful, the flight is a severe discipline (and episodes like that frustrate all my efforts).
We've all seen that those crazy maneuvers were conducted without adequate separation from the crowd, and, as the ceiling was well below the VFR minimum, at a terrifying low altitude, that the plane’s speed was very close to stall speed (but AIRBUS aircraft does not stall! !?!?), Sic!!!..., that if an engine failed the plane almost certainly would have screwed falling on the audience (but ‘Engines do not fail anymore!', and then what the meaning of: Vmcg, Vmca, V1, 2° nd Segment min grad , Max Perf. TOW, etc. is?)
I see many analogies between this and the inaugural flight of A320 in Mulhouse-Habsheim.
I hope this letter will inspire an outcry against this absurd event of unconsciousness, and that the name of the authors of the insane gesture is held up to public ridicule so they are no longer allowed to put at risk so many lives any more.
Yours
DOVES
I am flying since almost fifty years ... (and I would do it for much longer despite the surrounding environment) and currently I’m teaching young people to get their wings.
I will not tell you how difficult it is to convince them that no matter how beautiful, the flight is a severe discipline (and episodes like that frustrate all my efforts).
We've all seen that those crazy maneuvers were conducted without adequate separation from the crowd, and, as the ceiling was well below the VFR minimum, at a terrifying low altitude, that the plane’s speed was very close to stall speed (but AIRBUS aircraft does not stall! !?!?), Sic!!!..., that if an engine failed the plane almost certainly would have screwed falling on the audience (but ‘Engines do not fail anymore!', and then what the meaning of: Vmcg, Vmca, V1, 2° nd Segment min grad , Max Perf. TOW, etc. is?)
I see many analogies between this and the inaugural flight of A320 in Mulhouse-Habsheim.
I hope this letter will inspire an outcry against this absurd event of unconsciousness, and that the name of the authors of the insane gesture is held up to public ridicule so they are no longer allowed to put at risk so many lives any more.
Yours
DOVES
No Top Gun for DOVES now. Makes the "cargo plane full of rubber dog s**t out of Hong Kong" quote even more relevent.
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It was not a good thing to do. Notice you can even hear the engines going maximum, if there are any irregularities of the engines the plane is going down. Pilots are simply too trusting of technology now. The slogan "Airbus can never stall" sank like the Titanic "the ship that never sinks", pilots should start learning the definition of "Airmanship" again...
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Hi Bill,
I was also there as one of the team looking after the Vickers Vimy.. When you were displaying we were laying under the wing of the Vimy when it was parked between the display markers... It gave an interesting view of things!!
Happy days!!
I was also there as one of the team looking after the Vickers Vimy.. When you were displaying we were laying under the wing of the Vimy when it was parked between the display markers... It gave an interesting view of things!!
Happy days!!
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