Wikiposts
Search
Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

Aborted landing at Gatwick

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 2nd Jul 2011, 22:25
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: London
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Aborted landing at Gatwick

Apologies in advance for the naive question but...I was a passenger on easyJet 5444 from Budapest into Gatwick yesterday (Friday) which eventually landed around 1655. We appeared to be a few minutes away from landing with the wheels down when the engines suddenly increased power and we pulled up into a fairly steep (or so it seemed to me) turn to the left. It was initially announced that the Captain had not been happy with that particular approach and had decided to go around again. The Captain later made an announcement to say the "cabin was not ready" for that particular landing, which led to a few puzzled looks. All the cabin staff had been in their seats in position for landing so I'm not sure what he meant or if I had misheard.

I'm sure this sort of thing isn't unusual but it's the first time it had happened to me and I wondered if anyone could outline in general what sort of things might have been the cause. I appreciate, of course, that there may be many reasons. And, again, apologies if it's just too general a question to answer.
ian75 is offline  
Old 2nd Jul 2011, 23:37
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: EGNX
Posts: 1,211
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
It happened to me a few years ago on an easyjet flight into Geneva - we were 10 feet off the ground! The same reason was given as on your flight which, having read your account makes me wonder if this is an easyjet standard reason given regardless of the actual cause!

The most common reason for a go-around especially at busy airports like Gatwick is the aircraft in front being slow to get airborne or vacate the runway.
Doors to Automatic is offline  
Old 3rd Jul 2011, 08:12
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Denham
Age: 28
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Might I add, also an a/c infront of you could have had a small problem, ( burst tyre) like there was at Heathrow last night. (I assume, as an Eva 777 and BA 320 went around, and the Eva went around very very late)
denhamjosh18 is offline  
Old 3rd Jul 2011, 16:56
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: UK
Age: 39
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It may have been a departing aircraft on the runway ahead of you that may have had the cabin problem? Cleared for takeoff but they couldn't go and were therefore in your way?

LGW single runway is especially busy and there's not much time for things like that.

If you turned left I'm assuming you were landing on 26L and the Southerly turn is to avoid the flying area at Redhill, not to mention all the other busy things North of Gatwick, Biggin, City, LHR etc.
dany4kin is offline  
Old 4th Jul 2011, 07:58
  #5 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ian - a message from the senior c/crew memeber is given to the pilots at some point in the approach that the cabin is 'secure' for landing - ie pax and crew strapped and seated, trolleys stowed, etc.

Even when the cabin IS actually 'secure', sometimes this message can be forgotten at either end and the 'safe option' is exercised.
BOAC is offline  
Old 4th Jul 2011, 09:36
  #6 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: London
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Many thanks for all the replies. Much appreciated.
ian75 is offline  
Old 4th Jul 2011, 13:47
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: London
Posts: 516
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I understand from previous threads that at many airlines, including easyJet, it is standard practice for a member of the cabin crew (SCCM?) to give a PA following a go-around to pacify anxious passengers while waiting for the 'official explanation' PA from the flight deck when the captain has time.

It sounds that in this situation, the cabin crew member and the captain gave conflicting messages, which confused switched-on passengers such as the original poster. I don't think this gives a good impression.

This makes me wonder whether there a standardised wording for the cabin crew to use in these PAs?

Might I humbly suggest from a 'customer service' point of view that it would be wise to leave the flight crew to provide the precise details of / the reason for the go-around?
Nicholas49 is offline  
Old 5th Jul 2011, 14:16
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bournemouth UK
Age: 49
Posts: 863
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Might I humbly suggest from a 'customer service' point of view that it would be wise to leave the flight crew to provide the precise details of / the reason for the go-around?
The problem is that the pilots are extremely busy during a go around, having atc frequency changes, execute the missed approach, early level off, clean up the aircraft, assess the fuel status, re-check the weather for the alternates, agree on the next course of action (divert or another approach), tell ATC the plan, re-enter the approach into the flight management system and all of this has to come before the PA to the pax.

Although we realise that pax must get a very quick PA from the pilots our priority always remains 1st Aviate, 2nd Navigate and finally Communicate.

Rather than wait 10 minutes with passengers wondering what the hell is going on it's surely better for the Cabin Crew to have a standard PA advising passengers that a missed approach has occurred because the Captain was unhappy with the approach. The calm tones of the cabin crew will go some way to convince nervous passengers that this is not an unusual situation.

it sounds that in this situation, the cabin crew member and the captain gave conflicting messages
I disagree, the Captain did not believe the cabin was ready and therefore was not happy to continue the approach. No conflict, it's the same message.

All the cabin staff had been in their seats in position for landing so I'm not sure what he meant or if I had misheard.
The 2 at the front may have been seated, could you see the 2 at the back?

As for easyJet the SOP's dictate a mandatory go around if the landing checklist is not completed by 500ft AGL and Cabin Secured for Landing is the first item on the checklist.

As BOAC said if the cabin crew forgot to pass the message or tried to call too late this would explain why the cabin "appeared" to be ready.

Hope this helps

SW
Sky Wave is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.