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where was the first officier.. not once did the guy ask this?
they take off and are cruising in broad daylight and suddenly he is making a night landing.. where was the sunset?
what a load of rubbish
agreed 1hr 15mins wasted in my life. Should be renamned "Derren Brown's muppet show"
they take off and are cruising in broad daylight and suddenly he is making a night landing.. where was the sunset?
what a load of rubbish
agreed 1hr 15mins wasted in my life. Should be renamned "Derren Brown's muppet show"
The majority of people have no insight into the physical, legal or operational issues involved in flying a commercial aircraft (that's not to suggest that I do, merely a passing interest). They turn up, have a drink, get on, hope it doesn't end up as a shouldering dent on the surface of the planet, have another drink and get off at their destination.
As to not believing that people can be quite so naive; personally I can't belive that peole can be so naive as to think that people can be so naive! After all, it's not the first time that the good folk at Channel 4 have been able to find one or more people with no understanding of the situation they were being plunged into for the entertainment of others.
Space Cadets (television hoax) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The show was "entrainment" not science.
JAS
As to not believing that people can be quite so naive; personally I can't belive that peole can be so naive as to think that people can be so naive! After all, it's not the first time that the good folk at Channel 4 have been able to find one or more people with no understanding of the situation they were being plunged into for the entertainment of others.
Space Cadets (television hoax) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The show was "entrainment" not science.
JAS
just a spotter i do agree with you
generally.
but when one has a complete fear of flying in the first instance, to get over that and pick up the courage to say "i'll do it (even though I have no clue as to what to do and i am afraid of flying)" is a little bit much.
it's the fear of flying bit he hasn't psychologically got over, i doubt his newfound inner mental strength or whatever will make him get over this and land the plane correctly.
generally.
but when one has a complete fear of flying in the first instance, to get over that and pick up the courage to say "i'll do it (even though I have no clue as to what to do and i am afraid of flying)" is a little bit much.
it's the fear of flying bit he hasn't psychologically got over, i doubt his newfound inner mental strength or whatever will make him get over this and land the plane correctly.
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The fact he was landing a plane was irrelevant. The point was that he was doing something he was terrified of (flying) and was then able to step forward and help when nobody else would despite his fear.
I imagine flying was chosen as it is something most people have done, know nothing about how it actually works, and a large number of people are worried about. Having him correcting a computer program to prevent a nuclear explosion would not have had the same televisual appeal.
Once he got into the sim he didn't really do anything - just pushed a few buttons on command. And I bet most people watching would think nothing of the fact that there was only one pilot - and certainly not the Captain being in the RHS.
I imagine flying was chosen as it is something most people have done, know nothing about how it actually works, and a large number of people are worried about. Having him correcting a computer program to prevent a nuclear explosion would not have had the same televisual appeal.
Once he got into the sim he didn't really do anything - just pushed a few buttons on command. And I bet most people watching would think nothing of the fact that there was only one pilot - and certainly not the Captain being in the RHS.
on the contrary, landing the plane was relevant.
he has 2 psychological issues - 1, his confidence, and 2, his fear of flying.
the way i see it, is that the program made him build up his self confidence, but i just cannot see how that would make him get over his fear of flying and sit in the left hand seat
he has 2 psychological issues - 1, his confidence, and 2, his fear of flying.
the way i see it, is that the program made him build up his self confidence, but i just cannot see how that would make him get over his fear of flying and sit in the left hand seat
Do you really think the guy was 'cured' FFS he was acting the whole way through! Utter dross. How about being followed everywhere - that camera crew had pretty good quality footage and sound on him, do you think he didn't notice the full size cameras in the bushes and sound mike above his head??? 
Anyone who is taken in by any 'magic' on TV needs to have a word with themselves...
He hypnotised him whilst asleep in bed with a speaker. Jeeeezzz....
Anyone who is taken in by any 'magic' on TV needs to have a word with themselves...
He hypnotised him whilst asleep in bed with a speaker. Jeeeezzz....
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I agree it was complete 
You heard the autopilot come out late. It wasn't an autoland otherwise you wouldn't have heard "glideslope" in the final stages. He banged it in on the threshold with a nose low attitude. I can't stand the guy but had to watch it on mrs bruces orders as she believes hes god after the lottery stunt.
Landing the aircraft is easy, walking away from it is a different question!
You heard the autopilot come out late. It wasn't an autoland otherwise you wouldn't have heard "glideslope" in the final stages. He banged it in on the threshold with a nose low attitude. I can't stand the guy but had to watch it on mrs bruces orders as she believes hes god after the lottery stunt.
Landing the aircraft is easy, walking away from it is a different question!
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Too many people here missing the point. It's like you've been to the theatre and you're complaining that you don't like the flavour of your Cornetto rather than commenting on the show itself! It's nothing to do with the technicalities of flying. Derren Brown even acknowledges in the narration that the situation shown would be impossible in real life, and it would, but the point of the show was to demonstrate how mind programming can change someone's life. And THAT was the point of the show. No, he wasn't an actor, and yes it was all genuine - some people are more vulnerable than others to the power of suggestion, he is one of those guys.
Sorry Monkey boy, can't agree. You're right about the focus perhaps not being right with regards to aviation technicalities however I still have no idea how you can have taken that programme seriously!
He really broke into the policeman's house?
He really got hypnotised in bed while he was asleep with just a speaker?
He really didn't think anything was going on for the whole month?
He landed the plane, without realising it was a simulator? - is it just me or was it light outside then dark as soon as he got into the cockpit??
Not to mention the fact he was supposedly under incredible stress with huge amounts of adrenaline flowing - only to be hypnotised by DB in a second when he was making his way up front...
He gets out of the cockpit, after saving what he supposedly believes, was his own life and that of all the passengers, being seconds from a big flaming fireball, only to realise it's a simulator and DB is stood there - I'd have punched him for putting me through that...
Mind programming!
He really broke into the policeman's house?
He really got hypnotised in bed while he was asleep with just a speaker?
He really didn't think anything was going on for the whole month?
He landed the plane, without realising it was a simulator? - is it just me or was it light outside then dark as soon as he got into the cockpit??
Not to mention the fact he was supposedly under incredible stress with huge amounts of adrenaline flowing - only to be hypnotised by DB in a second when he was making his way up front...
He gets out of the cockpit, after saving what he supposedly believes, was his own life and that of all the passengers, being seconds from a big flaming fireball, only to realise it's a simulator and DB is stood there - I'd have punched him for putting me through that...
Mind programming!
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l4key.
lets not forget all the party gear he "borrowed"from the van man who just abandoned it and his job on a whim
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or how calm and relaxed he was lay on the rail track with a train coming,id have been screaming every name under the sun at db and flapping like a racing pigeon, then battered db to a pulp when i got up.
lets not forget all the party gear he "borrowed"from the van man who just abandoned it and his job on a whim
,or how calm and relaxed he was lay on the rail track with a train coming,id have been screaming every name under the sun at db and flapping like a racing pigeon, then battered db to a pulp when i got up.
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Sorry Monkey boy, can't agree. You're right about the focus perhaps not being right with regards to aviation technicalities however I still have no idea how you can have taken that programme seriously!
A lot went on behind the scenes which wasn't broadcast. What would be the point of going to all that expense and effort if it was just a set up? The same result could've been achieved on a much smaller budget if it was fake.
Also, from Derren Brown's blog:
"The challenge for us was fitting everything into a seventy-minute show. The changes were manifold and there was much more story to tell. What you see is obviously very trimmed and edited and squashed into the time allotment. Reading the flurry on Tw1tter last night there was clearly a small percentage people who just refused to accept any of it, which is shame but of course completely inevitable. Some insisted Matt and Liv had to be actors. It’s impossible to please everyone, but I can certainly assure anyone questioning that sort of thing that I don’t use actors in that way, and it would be stupid to do so, as I’d have to find, kill or silence all their friends, families and acquaintances too. "
basically we were hoping to see lots of "man sh*tting himself in cockpit" with a bit of airport '75-style sequences
what we got was a lame story of quiet bum being hypnotised (by a speaker in his bedroom, haha, behave), patting an alligator on the back (he didn't wake up at all eh? righto), being tied up in front of a slow historic train (he would have cr*pped himself in the real world) and then finishing with a handful of commands in a sim. at night time
i know it's about the psychology of changing people's outlook and confidence or whatever. but the turnaround seems so unlikely that it is simply not believable. getting a bit of confidence and coming out of your shell? understandable to a certain extent. getting over your fear of flying to actually fly an aircraft? i don't think so.
the disappointment mainly comes from an hour of boring story, and 10 minutes actual aviation related stuff. i can imagine aviation enthusiasts would be left thinking, is that it? when someone else would be thinking, hm not bad.
just my 2p...
what we got was a lame story of quiet bum being hypnotised (by a speaker in his bedroom, haha, behave), patting an alligator on the back (he didn't wake up at all eh? righto), being tied up in front of a slow historic train (he would have cr*pped himself in the real world) and then finishing with a handful of commands in a sim. at night time
i know it's about the psychology of changing people's outlook and confidence or whatever. but the turnaround seems so unlikely that it is simply not believable. getting a bit of confidence and coming out of your shell? understandable to a certain extent. getting over your fear of flying to actually fly an aircraft? i don't think so.
the disappointment mainly comes from an hour of boring story, and 10 minutes actual aviation related stuff. i can imagine aviation enthusiasts would be left thinking, is that it? when someone else would be thinking, hm not bad.
just my 2p...
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He wasn't even asked to 'land' the plane? If you listened he was asked to HELP land the plane.
If that means simply putting the gear down and pulling back the stick slightly then surely he achieved that?!!!
"Help to land" is different to "can you land the plane please"
If that means simply putting the gear down and pulling back the stick slightly then surely he achieved that?!!!
"Help to land" is different to "can you land the plane please"
