French freeze Easy out of Paris
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French freeze Easy out of Paris
The French authorities obviously don't want nasty foreign competition:
<a href="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,5-2002065782,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,5-2002065782,00.html</a>
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What the Times article failed to quantify was that easyJet actually got four routes from Charles de Gaulle and three daily flights from Orly to Switzerland. Easyjet is reviewing the use of the CDG slots, and has not decided whether the Orly destination will be Zurich or Geneva.
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The French are scared to compete - it's that simple...
Scared, out-of-touch, elitest French bureaucrats made this decision... It is anti-competitive and hurts the French PUBLIC in the end - but the bureaucrats are too short-sighted to see the obvious...
. .Good luck to EasyJet and others who try to break down the bureaucratic fortress known as FRANCE.
I am waving my WHITE FLAG in salute to France...
Scared, out-of-touch, elitest French bureaucrats made this decision... It is anti-competitive and hurts the French PUBLIC in the end - but the bureaucrats are too short-sighted to see the obvious...
. .Good luck to EasyJet and others who try to break down the bureaucratic fortress known as FRANCE.
I am waving my WHITE FLAG in salute to France...
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To LAVDUMPER,. .I don't says the French should do that but at least if you work in France you are not used as you are in company like Ryanair. Yoy don't have to paid for your type rating...... .I think the French can see that coming very fast and they only want to protect themselves.. .It is understandable, isn't it?
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I said it before ... Orly eats British Airlines.
Even if you get in there, French people do not regard themselves as "European", and will behave in a partisan fashion. If you want to get ahead in France, have a separate French management, and French crews and staff.
Incidentally, I would not regard this as a racist post, nor am I blaming the French for this attitude. Would many British people fly on a French owned, speaking airline from Luton or Stansted? Or German owned? That's just what people are like. Poysanally, I have people I would count as friends who are nationals of various European countries.
Even if you get in there, French people do not regard themselves as "European", and will behave in a partisan fashion. If you want to get ahead in France, have a separate French management, and French crews and staff.
Incidentally, I would not regard this as a racist post, nor am I blaming the French for this attitude. Would many British people fly on a French owned, speaking airline from Luton or Stansted? Or German owned? That's just what people are like. Poysanally, I have people I would count as friends who are nationals of various European countries.
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Groggs, seem to remember hearing that Brittania/YUI are partly French/German owned, and don't they fly from LTN/LSS? Still good luck to Easy I hope they are able to sort out French access.
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If the French government hadn't continued to fund Air France illegally, as it has done for years, the airline would have been down the pan years ago.
Now they see a threat from Easy so guess what?
They will never change!
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Now they see a threat from Easy so guess what?
They will never change!
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Highlandman,
Your response excludes any thoughts about the benefits to the French public of increased competition... They would benefit from more CHOICE and LOWER fares. Can you understand that?
Sure, French bureaucrats want to protect French jobs - but at the expense of public choice and competition that would likely force the French airlines to IMPROVE themselves to compete better...
Your argument is ambiguous at best.
We don't care about your problems with Ryanair employment - we care about increasing competition, reducing fares for the French public, and improving French airline operating costs (they would need to become leaner and more cost-competitive to compete with EasyJet, GO, Buzz or Ryanair)...
But the French apparently don't care about the potential for lower fares for the public at large... Meanwhile watch for the French airlines (especially AirLib) to become more indebted and continue to grow their bloated employee lists - the more things change, the more they stay the SAME.......
. .Cheers
Your response excludes any thoughts about the benefits to the French public of increased competition... They would benefit from more CHOICE and LOWER fares. Can you understand that?
Sure, French bureaucrats want to protect French jobs - but at the expense of public choice and competition that would likely force the French airlines to IMPROVE themselves to compete better...
Your argument is ambiguous at best.
We don't care about your problems with Ryanair employment - we care about increasing competition, reducing fares for the French public, and improving French airline operating costs (they would need to become leaner and more cost-competitive to compete with EasyJet, GO, Buzz or Ryanair)...
But the French apparently don't care about the potential for lower fares for the public at large... Meanwhile watch for the French airlines (especially AirLib) to become more indebted and continue to grow their bloated employee lists - the more things change, the more they stay the SAME.......
. .Cheers
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A certain British airline that flies yellow aeroplanes is starting French domestic routes for the summer. I'm looking forward to the cat 3 approaches through the smoke from the lambs being burnt at the end of the runway! Seriously though, apparently the cities concerned are all for it, a good, low-cost, no frills service. Air France has responded by withdrawing our interline agreement.
Hey Herod, don't forget the mint sauce to go with the roast lamb 
Also try and obtain a French translation of your MEL...the DGAC seem to be taking a keen interest in them these days and their English isn't too good!. .Bonne chance mon ami jaune <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Hey Guys! Reality check! Who cares about competition, lower fares, etc, etc. That's only good when the profit is on your side. Let's put aside all those hipocrit issues and talk about what's really on our minds. After all, aren't we all pilots. And when foreign pilots are flying on british airlines, don't you get all itchy?. .Check six... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Thank Fugg for the French. If only the brits would adopt a similar toughminded attitude!!!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> ( on seconds thought, lets just let them pi** all over us) after all, whats a national airline worth anyway? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Well I dunno,
Flew to ORY for years for a non French airline - non French crews, non French station manager and non French mechanics but with French pax handling.
There were five flights a day and I can recall no problems (except the weather broadcasts - few cloudy at 1,600 feet...)
Plenty of other carriers went in there too. Seems a bit of rubbish is being put out above.
Flew to ORY for years for a non French airline - non French crews, non French station manager and non French mechanics but with French pax handling.
There were five flights a day and I can recall no problems (except the weather broadcasts - few cloudy at 1,600 feet...)
Plenty of other carriers went in there too. Seems a bit of rubbish is being put out above.
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Do I read Beverly Hills ??. .No wonder your insights about the french market are a bit hazy to say the least.. .Air France State funded for years ?? . .Once, in 1993 with the Brussel's commission's blessing and that of Sir What's his name again, got it Leon Brittan.. .Prior to that Air France hadn't received a dime from its main share holder for about 10 years.. .When BA was floated, its books were dripping with red inks and guess what, the pommie government just wrote it off to start on the right foot. So, spare me !. .There is an extensive and very efficient speed train system that has taken more than 30 % of the market on destinations like Marseille, so thank you, the french travelling public has access to the cheapest fares in Europe and on the most effecient system, I'll be bold, in the world. But appart from the Hill billies, you wouldn't know.. .Easy jet kept out ?? Better twice than once if it can be done. Those guys flying for Air Lib won't getting jobs in Bev when they bite the dust, so they hang on. You want to give them your job, feel free mate !. .I don't think the US is any qualified to lecture the world about fair competition. . .It's Boeing heavily subsidised through military programs etc ....and the list of two faced double standards could go on forever.. .Enjoy the California sun.
Do I read Beverly Hills ??. .No wonder your insights about the french market are a bit hazy to say the least.. .Air France State funded for years ?? . .Once, in 1993 with the Brussel's commission's blessing and that of Sir What's his name again, got it Leon Brittan.. .Prior to that Air France hadn't received a dime from its main share holder for about 10 years.. .When BA was floated, its books were dripping with red inks and guess what, the pommie government just wrote it off to start on the right foot. So, spare me !. .There is an extensive and very efficient speed train system that has taken more than 30 % of the market on destinations like Marseille, so thank you, the french travelling public has access to the cheapest fares in Europe and on the most effecient system, I'll be bold, in the world. But appart from the Hill billies, you wouldn't know.. .Easy jet kept out ?? Better twice than once if it can be done. Those guys flying for Air Lib won't getting jobs in Bev when they bite the dust, so they hang on. You want to give them your job, feel free mate !. .I don't think the US is any qualified to lecture the world about fair competition. . .It's Boeing heavily subsidised through military programs etc ....and the list of two faced double standards could go on forever.. .Enjoy the California sun.
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Thanks Wallabie.. .And I'll add that the French are not all as dumb as to believe that lowering all the possible standards in civil aviation could possibly be any kind of improvement for anybody (except for desperate wannabies seeking a first job), especially the workers, that as we read every day in Pprune are squeezed to the bone and then thrown away without even a decent retirement pension. . .France has had, as Wallabie pointed out, its "low fare" in a more intelligent way. . .I myself moved to France because it is one of the last places where workers are treated as human beings.. .And what is for AF, businessman keep flying in a company that meets their needs and they are ready to pay for it. See the "Navette" program etc.
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Watch this space. easy are unlikely to roll over and simply accept what they've been given.
Air Lib were due to hand back 20,000 slots as a condition of their re-structure, but have only handed back 12,000. 2,000 of these held on to for public service routes.
Press conference in Paris this Tuesday. I'm sure easyJet will take the opportunity to stir things up a bit!
Air Lib were due to hand back 20,000 slots as a condition of their re-structure, but have only handed back 12,000. 2,000 of these held on to for public service routes.
Press conference in Paris this Tuesday. I'm sure easyJet will take the opportunity to stir things up a bit!
It's nothing new. The french freeze everything out of France that they consider a threat to French profits or way of life, (British beef/lamb) along with ignoring worldwide embargos when it suits (arms to South Africa) them and blowing up Greenpeace ships in foreign ports when it suits them.
It's called looking out for number one no matter what anyone else says or thinks and they are even better than America at that.
They've done it for years and I suspect they will continue forever.
Wish Britain was a bit more like them sometimes!
Doc C.
It's called looking out for number one no matter what anyone else says or thinks and they are even better than America at that.
They've done it for years and I suspect they will continue forever.
Wish Britain was a bit more like them sometimes!
Doc C.
