French freeze Easy out of Paris
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We would have to go a very long way to match the US hypocrisy when it comes to liberal economy.. .I don't see the point to let people like Easy jet or Ryanair enter the french market given the way they treat they potential employees. If you think a pilot deserves to be treated the way Ryanair treats its applicants I think you need a carrer change, like coal mining for example, or sewing jeans in a sweat shop.. .Even here things are not as rosy as you might think. Air Lib pilots are being told by the very man who led the 1998 Air France strike that they are a bunch of good for nothing lot and much too expensive on top of that. I don't think we need Stellios or the other Jocker to add to our misery.. .Let's see what happens next week.
How do some people find sleep at night is beyhond me.
We would have to go a very long way to match the US hypocrisy when it comes to liberal economy.. .I don't see the point to let people like Easy jet or Ryanair enter the french market given the way they treat they potential employees. If you think a pilot deserves to be treated the way Ryanair treats its applicants I think you need a carrer change, like coal mining for example, or sewing jeans in a sweat shop.. .Even here things are not as rosy as you might think. Air Lib pilots are being told by the very man who led the 1998 Air France strike that they are a bunch of good for nothing lot and much too expensive on top of that. I don't think we need Stellios or the other Jocker to add to our misery.. .Let's see what happens next week.
How do some people find sleep at night is beyhond me.
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Wallabie,
Just how do easyJet treat their potential employees? I applied using the online application form and got the job. Same way one would apply to BA, bmi, go, Virgin etc etc
easyJet and Ryanair are two completely different companies. Before you open your mouth learn some facts.......
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Just how do easyJet treat their potential employees? I applied using the online application form and got the job. Same way one would apply to BA, bmi, go, Virgin etc etc
easyJet and Ryanair are two completely different companies. Before you open your mouth learn some facts.......
Your ignorance shows...... <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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Nonsense! All that Joe Public cares about is how much the tickets cost, followed a distant second by whether or not the flight leaves on time!
Be honest, for most European routes (1-3 hours) little else is a factor.
And frankly, I don't care what language the crews speak.
Better to just be damned good at your job than to rely on bureaucrats to keep you in work.
Be honest, for most European routes (1-3 hours) little else is a factor.
And frankly, I don't care what language the crews speak.
Better to just be damned good at your job than to rely on bureaucrats to keep you in work.
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No 1261, those who bring the big £££, the businessman, DO care about all that can be offered by a good organization such as leaving on time, connections, meals on board (often it is their only chance of having a meal before rushing to a meeting).
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Get nicked !!!. .Ryanair and Easy BELONG to the very same category of employers. Like it or not, you obviously don't !. .Yes the french government is trying to keep them or maybe you ? out by turning Air Lib into a french low cost, therefore french jobs, french contracts and ..........low fares for the French travelling public you seem to care so much about. Your concern brings tears to their eyes.
Now, you might want to maybe get a job there or is it the Paris posting you were after ?. .Just like there are a couple of frogs at BA, there are a couple of Brits and Irish at Air France. In both cases these people didn't see fit to mould the world to their childish dreams but got on with it and learned whichever language it tool to get the position they wanted.. .Maybe that's an alley you might want to explore ?
1261
Lordie, Lord !!. .Are you saying we got it all wrong serving meals, giving hundreds of connections a day with facilities like waiting lounge equiped with all the gismos the perfect businessman needs and ( now this reallly gives me cold sweat !!!) FRECNH SPEAKING CREWS ????!!!!!. .I beg you ! Write ASAP to
Jean Cyril Spinetta. Chairman of the board.. .Charles de Gaulle Airport
Let him know what a twitt he is to pursue this course of action, our very survival depends on it.. .While you're at it, write to the Financial Time and let them know that writing the raving review they wrote about how well AF is doing is not only misinformation but plain abuse of the travelling public and small investors.. .I'll never thank you enough for opening my eyes.
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Get nicked !!!. .Ryanair and Easy BELONG to the very same category of employers. Like it or not, you obviously don't !. .Yes the french government is trying to keep them or maybe you ? out by turning Air Lib into a french low cost, therefore french jobs, french contracts and ..........low fares for the French travelling public you seem to care so much about. Your concern brings tears to their eyes.
Now, you might want to maybe get a job there or is it the Paris posting you were after ?. .Just like there are a couple of frogs at BA, there are a couple of Brits and Irish at Air France. In both cases these people didn't see fit to mould the world to their childish dreams but got on with it and learned whichever language it tool to get the position they wanted.. .Maybe that's an alley you might want to explore ?
1261
Lordie, Lord !!. .Are you saying we got it all wrong serving meals, giving hundreds of connections a day with facilities like waiting lounge equiped with all the gismos the perfect businessman needs and ( now this reallly gives me cold sweat !!!) FRECNH SPEAKING CREWS ????!!!!!. .I beg you ! Write ASAP to
Jean Cyril Spinetta. Chairman of the board.. .Charles de Gaulle Airport
Let him know what a twitt he is to pursue this course of action, our very survival depends on it.. .While you're at it, write to the Financial Time and let them know that writing the raving review they wrote about how well AF is doing is not only misinformation but plain abuse of the travelling public and small investors.. .I'll never thank you enough for opening my eyes.
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Fly blue,
Couldn't agree with you more re points made by 1261 (not personal, by the way).
For example take a close enough look at the Ryanair website, and you will find they do not recommend customers purchase through tickets, and if you do they suggest at least three hours (?)should be allowed between the arrival of one, and the departure of the other. They also point out they accept no responsibility whatsoever if one sector is late and the connecting flight is lost, i.e you would need to buy a new ticket!
It is fine for a single sector to consider someone like easyjet or ryanair, but to busy businessmen where TIME is MORE money than the savings on a budget ticket, then connectivity is king. That is why so many (and there are lots) are still happy to fly with airlines such as Air France, BA, BMI etc.....
The key element here is choice. If one traveller chooses to fly BA and pay £300 for a ticket that's fine, equally so if someone chooses to book in advance and get a ticket for £20.. But, for some strange reason (nothing to do with making more money, then?), the budget airlines find it necessary to criticise those passengers who pay £300. It's their money to spend as they wish.
On a final point, BA and other airlines do not design, build and open business lounges on a whim, the demand is very extensively researched.
Couldn't agree with you more re points made by 1261 (not personal, by the way).
For example take a close enough look at the Ryanair website, and you will find they do not recommend customers purchase through tickets, and if you do they suggest at least three hours (?)should be allowed between the arrival of one, and the departure of the other. They also point out they accept no responsibility whatsoever if one sector is late and the connecting flight is lost, i.e you would need to buy a new ticket!
It is fine for a single sector to consider someone like easyjet or ryanair, but to busy businessmen where TIME is MORE money than the savings on a budget ticket, then connectivity is king. That is why so many (and there are lots) are still happy to fly with airlines such as Air France, BA, BMI etc.....
The key element here is choice. If one traveller chooses to fly BA and pay £300 for a ticket that's fine, equally so if someone chooses to book in advance and get a ticket for £20.. But, for some strange reason (nothing to do with making more money, then?), the budget airlines find it necessary to criticise those passengers who pay £300. It's their money to spend as they wish.
On a final point, BA and other airlines do not design, build and open business lounges on a whim, the demand is very extensively researched.
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I respectfully take onboard all the above posts. I am not in airline management; I fully accept that I'm not the world's leading expert on airline economics.
I must say however, that I think you've missed my point. What I'm saying is that there is absolutely no point in ARTIFICIALLY keeping the low cost carriers out of the market. If the businessman still wants to pay €300 for all the facilities you mention, then the market will support his doing so. What happens at the moment (at many airports) is that the rest of us end up subsidizing him - which is in my opinion plain, straightforward wrong!
I must say however, that I think you've missed my point. What I'm saying is that there is absolutely no point in ARTIFICIALLY keeping the low cost carriers out of the market. If the businessman still wants to pay €300 for all the facilities you mention, then the market will support his doing so. What happens at the moment (at many airports) is that the rest of us end up subsidizing him - which is in my opinion plain, straightforward wrong!
