The cap & the uniform & the pride
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The cap & the uniform & the pride
In my former company all instructors, half of the captains and a few proud copilots did wear the cap. 
In my new company there are only a few ...
I think that those few guys are proud of them self. I do understand and respect that. But doesn't it look a little old fashioned ?
Do we get more respect with the cap ?
In my new company there are only a few ...
I think that those few guys are proud of them self. I do understand and respect that. But doesn't it look a little old fashioned ?
Do we get more respect with the cap ?
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Do we get more respect without the cap?
I used to write my passport number in my cap.
After a long tiring flight you could just drop your head on the reception desk of the hotel and all data needed to fill in the form were readily available....even your name if it got that bad…..
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I used to write my passport number in my cap.
After a long tiring flight you could just drop your head on the reception desk of the hotel and all data needed to fill in the form were readily available....even your name if it got that bad…..
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Smooth Trimmer
Thank for your tip Captain Airclues. 
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TIES?...
What about ties in summer. I can understand wearing a full uniform (jacket, tie, cap etc) when one has to walk through airport terminals and is in the public eye. But to wear all this cr@p when doing regional multi sector flights and departing from briefing to the aircraft on a crewbus with the public nowhere in sight is crazy. Who you gonna impress, the Capt/FO ? Certainly not the cabin crew, engineers, flight dispatchers, refuelers, bagage handlers and cleaners!
How about the option of a open neck shirt? Especially in the warmer climates.
What about ties in summer. I can understand wearing a full uniform (jacket, tie, cap etc) when one has to walk through airport terminals and is in the public eye. But to wear all this cr@p when doing regional multi sector flights and departing from briefing to the aircraft on a crewbus with the public nowhere in sight is crazy. Who you gonna impress, the Capt/FO ? Certainly not the cabin crew, engineers, flight dispatchers, refuelers, bagage handlers and cleaners!
How about the option of a open neck shirt? Especially in the warmer climates.
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If it is your uniform, then wear it with pride !
We (A regional) can leave jackets in the crew room if it is warm. Never found my hat too hot, but ties can get a bit that way on the ground in a cockpit before APU/engine start.
Footballers say "If you can't be a footballer, at least try to look like one ! "
Remember attitude + attitude (aircrafts + pilots) make the flight !
We (A regional) can leave jackets in the crew room if it is warm. Never found my hat too hot, but ties can get a bit that way on the ground in a cockpit before APU/engine start.
Footballers say "If you can't be a footballer, at least try to look like one ! "
Remember attitude + attitude (aircrafts + pilots) make the flight !
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CD,
Now you really threw me into an identity crisis. I still love my job (after twenty years) I fly for the money (Twenty years of lifstyle building!) and with an economy boom like we have here I can find another job any day. Still I detest the cap, the jacket, the tie and the socks. What am I to do? Please help me find a suitable identity!
Deadleg,
The sunglasses make somebody look like a pilot not the suit. So far nobody complained about these!
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Now you really threw me into an identity crisis. I still love my job (after twenty years) I fly for the money (Twenty years of lifstyle building!) and with an economy boom like we have here I can find another job any day. Still I detest the cap, the jacket, the tie and the socks. What am I to do? Please help me find a suitable identity!
Deadleg,
The sunglasses make somebody look like a pilot not the suit. So far nobody complained about these!
[This message has been edited by CaptainSquelch (edited 20 September 2000).]
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Capt Squelsh
Sorry but for me you seem nothing to prove to yourself or anybody, so nothing to show.
Stay like you are : the right man at the right place.
The forum was more oriented to those very young pilot who are so proud of themself to becamme a pilot. But as we all know this has nothing to do with capability but more a question of luck !
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Sorry but for me you seem nothing to prove to yourself or anybody, so nothing to show.
Stay like you are : the right man at the right place.
The forum was more oriented to those very young pilot who are so proud of themself to becamme a pilot. But as we all know this has nothing to do with capability but more a question of luck !
CD
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CS do you wear white gloves as well as your sunglasses?
I have had flyng jobs where the uniform was shorts and shirt no tie. My point is that if this is what your company have for a uniform then wear it properly, after all they do provide it and your job!
I have had flyng jobs where the uniform was shorts and shirt no tie. My point is that if this is what your company have for a uniform then wear it properly, after all they do provide it and your job!
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The only time my uniform didn't include a tie was when I was working in the Caribbean. White short-sleeved shirt, black (long) trousers and black shoes. No jacket (thank God) and no hat either.
Otherwise, I'm happy to wear whatever the company decides is uniform. They provide it, they pay me to wear it, and I'll wear it with pride, and try my best to keep it looking good.
It helps passengers' confidence if the drivers (when they see them) look the part - look professional, not like escapees from a low-budget barnstorming movie.
Otherwise, I'm happy to wear whatever the company decides is uniform. They provide it, they pay me to wear it, and I'll wear it with pride, and try my best to keep it looking good.
It helps passengers' confidence if the drivers (when they see them) look the part - look professional, not like escapees from a low-budget barnstorming movie.
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my question is: do you have to wear your cap.
Does it say so in your contract?
- YES. Then the right attitude is to wear it (what old fashioned thinking ). You have signed a contract and you can only expect the other side to abide to it if you do the same. Then you might want to show your support to the cabin crew. They have to wear their whole uniform, no if and maybe or don't feel like. Also, if you don't wear part of your uniform despite your obligation, who says you will not cut corners in other parts of your daily operation?
- NO. Wearing a cap as an aviator is part of the image. Aviation has taken much from the navy and, by exercing this profession you also accept to represent a whole group of people. Wearing a hat will reinforce the observer's idea of a serious and professional attitude. How in hell can you work for an airline and ask for/get high/er wages and at the same time walk around looking like I don't know what?
P.S. Yes, I'am a proud pilot and I had to earn those wings, they were not just offered to me
Does it say so in your contract?
- YES. Then the right attitude is to wear it (what old fashioned thinking
). You have signed a contract and you can only expect the other side to abide to it if you do the same. Then you might want to show your support to the cabin crew. They have to wear their whole uniform, no if and maybe or don't feel like. Also, if you don't wear part of your uniform despite your obligation, who says you will not cut corners in other parts of your daily operation?- NO. Wearing a cap as an aviator is part of the image. Aviation has taken much from the navy and, by exercing this profession you also accept to represent a whole group of people. Wearing a hat will reinforce the observer's idea of a serious and professional attitude. How in hell can you work for an airline and ask for/get high/er wages and at the same time walk around looking like I don't know what?
P.S. Yes, I'am a proud pilot and I had to earn those wings, they were not just offered to me
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We don't have hats as part of our uniform (thank gawd) and I don't think it makes us any the more shabby or corner cutting, coz we can do all of that whether we have a hat or not!
Best has got to be SouthWest Airlines, I believe they're issued with A1/A2 style leather jackets.... nice !
Best has got to be SouthWest Airlines, I believe they're issued with A1/A2 style leather jackets.... nice !
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If it all goes about uniform, and getting paid to wear it, why don't airlines design a uniform that is practical. I can count on one hand the number of pilots that actually wear their ties whilst in the cockpit, and I don't know ANYONE who wears the cap.
A neat professional design does not mean caps and ties......
We're in the 2000's, lets get out of the 1800's.
A neat professional design does not mean caps and ties......
We're in the 2000's, lets get out of the 1800's.
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This thread, or part of it at least has been overtaken by circumstances. My employer insists that the cap is worn as part of the uniform – but this stipulation only applies to male pilots. Our female colleagues do not have to wear headgear. The law changed earlier this year with the effect that this policy is now considered discriminatory and hence unlawful. This may seem trivial to most (and in the grand scheme of things it is) but for those of us who hate headgear it is a relief. I can now leave my cap at home with impunity.