747-400 Sim trip - Best use of 1 hour?
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747-400 Sim trip - Best use of 1 hour?
I've been bought as a pressie, a 1hr 744 trip in a BA sim 
Something i've always wanted to do since a kid and a complete surprise from my BA crew Girlfriend! Top Girl! - Can't wait!
Anyway... Apparently I can request whatever I like? (waiting for someone to disagree with this) however,
IF this is the case, I can pick location, situation, environment, day-night etc.
Does anyone have any suggestions to get the fullest from a 1hr ride?
My obvious set up would be circuits around LHR however, i'm sure whatever I choose,
the 1 hour shall go very quickly! (no comments about being in the hold for an hour, this is a genuine request for ideas)
Wonder if Kai tak is still in the system or some other scenario?
Is there a well known emergency scenario to input into the kit?
Have plenty of real flight deck air time behind me (but not at the controls)
and a few hours in fast jets too so more interested in something a bit tech
and challenging rather than the sensation of just being in the 'office' if that makes sense?
Kind regards
Snaps
NB Apologies if this isn't right forum, can't think of a better place to find the people who would know the answers to my question!
Something i've always wanted to do since a kid and a complete surprise from my BA crew Girlfriend! Top Girl! - Can't wait!
Anyway... Apparently I can request whatever I like? (waiting for someone to disagree with this) however,
IF this is the case, I can pick location, situation, environment, day-night etc.
Does anyone have any suggestions to get the fullest from a 1hr ride?
My obvious set up would be circuits around LHR however, i'm sure whatever I choose,
the 1 hour shall go very quickly! (no comments about being in the hold for an hour, this is a genuine request for ideas)
Wonder if Kai tak is still in the system or some other scenario?
Is there a well known emergency scenario to input into the kit?
Have plenty of real flight deck air time behind me (but not at the controls)
and a few hours in fast jets too so more interested in something a bit tech
and challenging rather than the sensation of just being in the 'office' if that makes sense?
Kind regards
Snaps
NB Apologies if this isn't right forum, can't think of a better place to find the people who would know the answers to my question!
Last edited by Snapshot; 1st Feb 2009 at 22:29.
Hi Snapshot
I would suggest doing a take-off and then as many landings as you can fit in - don't bother with circuits for your first go if you only have an hour as you will waste a lot of time. You should be able to fit in around 8 landings if you ask to be positioned at 5 miles.
If you are on the 747 sim Kai Tak should still be there but if not ask for the Canarsie approach to 13L at New York JFK. It is very similar but without the hills! Also for a bit of fun ask for Runway 27 at Boston at max landing weight and see if you can stop before going into the sea!
Have fun!
I would suggest doing a take-off and then as many landings as you can fit in - don't bother with circuits for your first go if you only have an hour as you will waste a lot of time. You should be able to fit in around 8 landings if you ask to be positioned at 5 miles.
If you are on the 747 sim Kai Tak should still be there but if not ask for the Canarsie approach to 13L at New York JFK. It is very similar but without the hills! Also for a bit of fun ask for Runway 27 at Boston at max landing weight and see if you can stop before going into the sea!
Have fun!
Kai Tak's been taken out of the visual data base. Certainly the UKBA179 sim and the VS one at Burgess Hill
As one who spends quite a lot of time in -400 sims I agree with all the above.
Perhaps try it at night or at the end re position to 3 miles with an autoland in 15 kts crosswind and 3B cloudbase.The aircraft does all the wing down stuff we aren't supposed to do...and does it very well!
Enjoy the experience
I think the aircraft carrier is still lurking around Hong Kong !
As one who spends quite a lot of time in -400 sims I agree with all the above.
Perhaps try it at night or at the end re position to 3 miles with an autoland in 15 kts crosswind and 3B cloudbase.The aircraft does all the wing down stuff we aren't supposed to do...and does it very well!
Enjoy the experience
I think the aircraft carrier is still lurking around Hong Kong !
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Thanks guys youve given me something to think about!
Pity the the thread has moved, doubt it shall be seen now and couldve
been some interesting comments haha!
Snaps
Pity the the thread has moved, doubt it shall be seen now and couldve
been some interesting comments haha!
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I'm on the 737 sim for one hour next Tuesday. Lowly PPL here - many years ago having had 4 hours total in a DC9 sim (B.Mid captain friend), each time we repositioned at around 5 mile final for Touch and Go's. Def the best way to get the most fun out of it.
the wing down stuff we aren't supposed to do
Used to upset the old B707 brigade
. . although, to give them their due, I've a couple of pics of a NCA Classic (I think) clouting #1 at Kai Tak and then going around with the engine blazing merrily.
Snapshot, Enjoy! Remember, at main gear touchdown your eye height is about 70ft.
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WOW..that sounds like a fantastic present...Do you know where she booked it..A few of us would ove to have a go at a sim...
Think it possibly gets cheaper if you have a small group of 4 or so doing it???
Think it possibly gets cheaper if you have a small group of 4 or so doing it???
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Yes, but it's still only one hour, so you would get 15 mins each
I've been lucky enough to have 4hrs on 757 sim and 4hrs on 727sim PLUS atrip Man-Faro and back in the jumpseat with a training capt friend of mine. Videoed the flight. Pre 911 of course.
Ps: I think you can take along a friend
Ian
I've been lucky enough to have 4hrs on 757 sim and 4hrs on 727sim PLUS atrip Man-Faro and back in the jumpseat with a training capt friend of mine. Videoed the flight. Pre 911 of course.
Ps: I think you can take along a friend
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I'd recommend the approachs as mentioned above but in dusk or dawn configuration, this shows the best visual graphics you could have for these sims and the immersion will be fantastic for you.
Enjoy
Enjoy
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Guys thank you to all the well wishes! Shall def do the approach config I think?
I was the last person to fly the 'non visual only instruments' Buccaneer sim
at Lossie before she was ripped out WAY BACK IN 1994!!
Apparently Aitch said I did a perfect approach and landing!
Not bad for a morris minor dash board and no movement! Hahahaha!
The web site is Flight Training at British Airways
You can take only one other person on this if you should like?
regards
AB
I was the last person to fly the 'non visual only instruments' Buccaneer sim
at Lossie before she was ripped out WAY BACK IN 1994!!
Apparently Aitch said I did a perfect approach and landing!
Not bad for a morris minor dash board and no movement! Hahahaha!
The web site is Flight Training at British Airways
You can take only one other person on this if you should like?
regards
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Wish the memsahib would spend £500 on a present for me!!! You're a lucky man Snapshot. Saying that I've just had two days worth of LPC/OPC in the sim and I got paid for the privilage
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Just back from 1 hour and 15 minutes on the BA 737/400 sim at Heathrow. I had a lovely young lady as my instructor, currently on maternity leave from her day job as First Officer on BA 747/400s!!
We based ourselves at East Mids (I'm a ppl holder and fly from there), and basically did circuits. The first approach threw in a massive surprise to both of us - the previous occupants had programmed in massive windshear at around 300'. All hell let loose, massive sink, very loud verbal "windshear" and "sink rate" warnings, the stall stick shaker rattling furiously!!. Very sudden and very disorientating. Calmly she said "go around", so I firewalled the throttles, slammed to stick forward to release it from a nose up stall situation, and I just got away with it!! Blimey, that woke me up!
Having reprogrammed the computer, we then did takes off's to 2500', at which point she reset for an 8 mile final (saves wasting time in the circuit). I did it all the flying manually, not bothering with autothrottle for the approach. Emma handled the gear and flaps.
Being part way throught the IMC course, I was anxious to do some manual poor viz ILS approaches, and finished with four, each one being progressively harder. the last was with a 15kt wind straight across the runway, with a cloud base at 500'. Following the AI and Flight Director down the glideslope was considerably easier than on the Microsoft F/Sim and in the Warrior I normally fly and I was pleased with the last three instrument approaches particularly.
I chose the 737/400 because it's a lot more hands on than say the Airbus A320 - it was very instructional and very enjoyable. She insists that next time however, I go on "her" 747 sim. This experience is expensive at around £600, but recommended.
We based ourselves at East Mids (I'm a ppl holder and fly from there), and basically did circuits. The first approach threw in a massive surprise to both of us - the previous occupants had programmed in massive windshear at around 300'. All hell let loose, massive sink, very loud verbal "windshear" and "sink rate" warnings, the stall stick shaker rattling furiously!!. Very sudden and very disorientating. Calmly she said "go around", so I firewalled the throttles, slammed to stick forward to release it from a nose up stall situation, and I just got away with it!! Blimey, that woke me up!
Having reprogrammed the computer, we then did takes off's to 2500', at which point she reset for an 8 mile final (saves wasting time in the circuit). I did it all the flying manually, not bothering with autothrottle for the approach. Emma handled the gear and flaps.
Being part way throught the IMC course, I was anxious to do some manual poor viz ILS approaches, and finished with four, each one being progressively harder. the last was with a 15kt wind straight across the runway, with a cloud base at 500'. Following the AI and Flight Director down the glideslope was considerably easier than on the Microsoft F/Sim and in the Warrior I normally fly and I was pleased with the last three instrument approaches particularly.
I chose the 737/400 because it's a lot more hands on than say the Airbus A320 - it was very instructional and very enjoyable. She insists that next time however, I go on "her" 747 sim. This experience is expensive at around £600, but recommended.
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Snapshot, I did this exercise a few years ago. For one take-off, ask the instructor to feed in a 15 knot cross-wind, set max AUW, and to fail the into-wind outer engine at V1 plus 5 knots. You'll know it's going to go, you'll hear it wind down, but nothing will prepare you for the bootful of rudder you need to keep the aircraft straight whilst keeping it safely above the M4.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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ChequeredFlag,
Sounds like a great experience, is Emma one of the Sim instructors for the event im booked for? I wonder if flight deck volunteer or are rostered?
I know engineers sometimes are the instructors on these sim bookings!
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Sounds like a great experience, is Emma one of the Sim instructors for the event im booked for? I wonder if flight deck volunteer or are rostered?
I know engineers sometimes are the instructors on these sim bookings!
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I'm not sure - she was 7 months pregnant, so is not likely to be around much longer.
As far as I'm aware, the instructors are all BA pilots, though one or two may be retired from active flying. I have not heard of engineers doing it - if so I would feel cheated.
As far as I'm aware, the instructors are all BA pilots, though one or two may be retired from active flying. I have not heard of engineers doing it - if so I would feel cheated.