How do short haul planes get delivered?
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How do short haul planes get delivered?
I was driving by Seattle Boeing Field the other day and saw a variety of planes with the liveries of various aielines waiting to be delivered.
One of those on the apron was a Ryanair 737.
How exactly would this be delivered to Dublin from Seattle?
One of those on the apron was a Ryanair 737.
How exactly would this be delivered to Dublin from Seattle?
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While I can't answer for a 737, I can say that I've flown short range corporate aircraft to Europe many times. It's quite common to stop enroute. Chicago to Gander New Foundland to Keflavik Iceland to Ireland for example. Gander to Shannon is a very common leg when going further East into Europe as well.
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I was recently at Bombardier factory in Toronto, and saw a Dash 8 destined fro Australia. I asked the same question and was told that they take the "Eastern route", meaning they go via Europe, Middle East, and Asia island hopping until they get there.
A mate of mine delivered a RYR 800 from Seattle once. Without a payload (ie pax & bags) the 737NG has quite a range, and if I remember rightly they may have gone via KEF in Iceland?
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Flyglobespan have flown their 737-800s transatlantically before now. It does have quite a range and would easily reach Dublin with a minimal payload from a stop on the eastern coast of North America.
Somewhere like Gander or St Johns, probably. Keflavik is another alternative, but it should not take any more than one stop from Boeing to Dublin.
Somewhere like Gander or St Johns, probably. Keflavik is another alternative, but it should not take any more than one stop from Boeing to Dublin.
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The route from seattle to europe takes you nicely over plenty of airfields in northern canada, greenland, iceland and northern parts of the british isles.
Not an issue with the new 737's but on the other way round, europe to north america the baby buses may need a top up, especially as youre going against the wind.
Never done it though
Not an issue with the new 737's but on the other way round, europe to north america the baby buses may need a top up, especially as youre going against the wind.
Never done it though
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Hello
It would more than likley tech Stop in BGR then carry on direct to DUB.
As per previous comment it would surprise you what the NGs can cover!
In my experience the AC would make it no probe direct BIF-DUB
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It would more than likley tech Stop in BGR then carry on direct to DUB.
As per previous comment it would surprise you what the NGs can cover!
In my experience the AC would make it no probe direct BIF-DUB
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Why would you need cabin crew on a delivery flight
Have flown a new 737-400 direct YMX-LHR (7:20 inc BNN hold!) and landed with about 1.6 tonnes. We had to go Spruce Goose route as APU failed.
Have flown a new 737-400 direct YMX-LHR (7:20 inc BNN hold!) and landed with about 1.6 tonnes. We had to go Spruce Goose route as APU failed.
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It's not really an issue.
Short haul a/c -like most a/c- can either
1. Be filled up with fuel
or
2. Be filled up with payload- pax or freight
but never- filled up with both!
So for a short haul a/c to be delivered- fill it up with gas -no payload at all, and away you go!
All that remains is a little applied route planning. Another consideration is that as delivery flights are 'non-revenue', some limitations dont apply.
For example an ERJ-145 in service is restricted to FL370 (due to a limitation that's related to emergency descent times/ pax oxy duration etc)
But regularly ferries at FL 410. Better range due lower fuel burn etc.
Short haul a/c -like most a/c- can either
1. Be filled up with fuel
or
2. Be filled up with payload- pax or freight
but never- filled up with both!
So for a short haul a/c to be delivered- fill it up with gas -no payload at all, and away you go!
All that remains is a little applied route planning. Another consideration is that as delivery flights are 'non-revenue', some limitations dont apply.
For example an ERJ-145 in service is restricted to FL370 (due to a limitation that's related to emergency descent times/ pax oxy duration etc)
But regularly ferries at FL 410. Better range due lower fuel burn etc.
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The question never sepccified delivery it asked would you have to heavy crew transatlantic, was trying to cover my bases, if i hadnt put that they would have come back with "waht about with pax on"!!
How are short haul planes delivered?
Interesting that all the replies so far have related to B737NGs and A3mini series. A sign of the times no doubt!
Far more interesting to deliver an F27 to Oz, or a 748 to Argentina. Now that did tax the brain cells, and some careful planning was definitely required!
Far more interesting to deliver an F27 to Oz, or a 748 to Argentina. Now that did tax the brain cells, and some careful planning was definitely required!
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i was wondering what the range would be on a say a 737-900 without pax with max fuel ?
wikipedia quotes "3,060 NM", but doesnt say if its loaded or unloaded.
with reference to the previous poster, id imagine that things would be really tight with an F27 or some sort of Turboprop.
wikipedia quotes "3,060 NM", but doesnt say if its loaded or unloaded.
with reference to the previous poster, id imagine that things would be really tight with an F27 or some sort of Turboprop.
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Ryanair B737-8AS EI-DYP arrived in Dublin on Saturday on its delivery flight direct from Boeing Field (flying time was abount 8 hours).
Its the 177th new B737 delivered to Ryanair and the vast majority of them have routed nonstop to Dublin - although some of the earlier flights did route via Keflavik.
Its the 177th new B737 delivered to Ryanair and the vast majority of them have routed nonstop to Dublin - although some of the earlier flights did route via Keflavik.
