A340 of Iberia skids off runway in Quito

[GotTheTshirt]

Rainboe,

First as the point has been made repair is an insurance issue, not technical, the numbers of which you have no idea.

Second the instances you gave are very interesting in that they are old brick built aircraft.

Perhaps you have some later examples of major repairs to modern aircraft that have been salvaged like the Toronto airbus

They dont make um like they used to

[alexmcfire]

Latest rumor is that Iberia is banned from Ecuador until they sort out the
A346 accident.

Hoping that Danny will not have a hissy fit with this, Alex, but I have copied this interesting post to the R&N thread. Thanks.

[Rainboe]

Chaps, you're all so touchy! Any perceived insult to an engineer is jumped on, but it's OK for engineers to make insulting references to pilots? OK, we'll let it pass!
Engineers won't decide if it is repaired. they will report- the decision will come from MAD-'get your wheel jacks and crosshead screwdrivers out and get on with it!', or:' paint Iberia out on the fin and get the chainsaws out quick!'
As for repairability, look how Qantas mullahed this 747 at BKK (now happily flying paying guests around):
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/qf1/8.shtml
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/qf1/7.shtml
It will be interesting to see what problems modern plastic aeroplanes experience, however exactly how revolutionary is the 340-600? It still has a standard duralamin fuselage doesn't it? I still get the impression the 747 is worse than this 340 in that the 340 only has superficial damage.

[armchairpilot94116]

My amateur eyes tell me this A340 has more then superficial damage . But if they can fix that Qantas jet, they certainly could fix this airbus. Problem is if they really want to spend that much money. The fix is likely nearly as much as buying a nice serviceable used one maybe?

[Rainboe]

The fix is likely nearly as much as buying a nice serviceable used one maybe?

Look- you do keep making assertions that make me shudder. You are a complete amateur and have no qulaifications to make any such statements! You don't know what you are talking about!
Hulls are very valuable at the moment- delivery lines are long. Repairs are possible on quite badly damaged hulls. It makes the investment in a repair more worthwhile. Let's see instead of stabbing in the dark. I think on balance it's a goer. I would not dream of making statements such as yours. Please remember your only qualification here is to fly MS Flightsim!

[armchairpilot94116]

And please remember this IS the spotter forum . I bet you five bucks this bird aint gonna fly again.

NO pot of gold at the end of this rainbow

And just to let you know, I dont even fly the microsoft SIM. So you are wrong on that.

[AN2 Driver]

And just to let you know, I dont even fly the microsoft SIM. So you are wrong on that.

Yet I know quite a few airline pilots who do

[armchairpilot94116]

I understand that as of June 2007 there is a backlog of 292 Airbus A330 of all types but only 46 Airbus A340 of all types. This as opposed to a backlog of 334 for all types of the 777 (as of October 2007). Sure looks like they could squeeze in your order of an Airbus A340 if you give Airbus a call? Even if the line is kept busy making A330.

Outstanding order backlog as of June 2007:

A330-200 = 148
A330-200F = 64
A330-300 = 80

A340-300 = 9
A340-500 = 6
A340-600 = 31

777 total orders as of Oct. 2007 = 1006
777 total deliveries as of Oct. 2007 = 672

A340 orders ,all types as of March 2007 = 405
A340 delivered , as of March 2007 = 342

You might be able to get Mr. Hazy to find an A340 for you, either underutilized or right off the assembly line (deferring another order). Who knows?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A340
http://ww.airliners.net:80/discussio....main/3495999/

[GotTheTshirt]

Rainboe
WoW who's touchy !!

I know you think we are all idiots but just how many Airbus spare parts have you bought recently
They are not cheap believe me.

In the old days manufacturers wanted aircraft repaired now they don't.

You did not give many Airbus examples in you repair of write off lists

[Rainboe]

Let's just wait and see! Without making any statements that go over the top. I have seen aeroplanes in an apparently worse condition get flying again. The old ANC repair of a 747 was very impressive. Blown off a raised icy taxiway and weathercocking into the teeth of the gale, it slid backwards down a 70 foot high slope, losing gear and engines (running) on the way down, and I think breaking it's back when it hit the horizontal. The story of the recovery is interesting, they had to build a road through Alaskan bush to get to it. Don't know how they got it back up, but it flew again. Yet contrast that with a simple repair to a pressure hull that failed and caused the JAL accident. The carbon fibre panels that came off this are nothing. The fuselage seems undamaged. Wing replacement, 2 new engines, new gear, a few ribs replaced and it may well be the insurance company that demands, whether it is worth it or not, that a repair takes place. It's still a damn good aeroplane, if not matching the 777 in seat mile costs.

[armchairpilot94116]

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19941022-1

This one was written off. Maybe it was because it was 15 years old?

[alexmcfire]

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: European Union
Posts: 153 Latest rumor is that Iberia is banned from Ecuador until they sort out the
A346 accident.

Hoping that Danny will not have a hissy fit with this, Alex, but I have copied this interesting post to the R&N thread. Thanks
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Who are you?

[alexmcfire]

This poster claim it was a crew mistake, http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=60
Anyways seem to be a video out of the landing, anyone seen it?

[MrNosy2]

IB A340 repair at Quito - expensive but its early days yet and we shall have to wait and see what decisions are made.

Picking up on some of the other comments on this thread:-

Joetom - QF 747 at BKK was not an insurance CTL - cost of repairs was well below aircraft's insurance agreed value.

Armchairpilot94116 - Thai A300 was not a write off. Thai made commercial decision to take cash-in-lieu of repairs. Aircraft was certainly repairable within insurance agreed value.

[not the office jnr]

have heard that new landing gears and other spares are being sent out to Quito ASAP. looks like they'll be trying to fix it (at least partially so they can move it) than chop it up and move it.

[alexmcfire]

Another rumor is that it didnīt work out to lift it with inflatable airbags?
Any more photos of the plane?

[WebPilot]

The aircraft was on jacks in a maintenance area of the airport last Friday. Didn't get a chance to take any shots unfortunately.

[Tediek]

here you find a recovery movie on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/v/u7AnV24-RLQ&rel=1&border=0

[anartificialhorizon]

Heard on the jungle vines that the IB 340 will NOT be repaired.

Looks like you owe me a pint Rainboe

Anyone heard the same ?

[akerosid]

Yes, it was declared a write-off some time ago; acft - or what's left of it - is parked at the military ramp at UIO.