The L-1011 today
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From: bogota
Ex-Saudia Tristars
Hi
Just a question, don´t know if it has already been asked. If it has my apologies.
There are a lot of Tristars parked in Saudi Arabia that belonged to Saudia and are now owned by Regency Projects of Pakistan. Being that these machines have -524 engines and they have a lot less hours/cycles than most of the Tristars that are still flying, my question is; why isn´t anyone jumping on these planes, they must at least be good for bulk cargo.
-200 models, decent hours/cycles and plenty of spares...
Doesn´t make sense, maybe anyone in the know would be kind enough to provide an answer.
Thanks
Just a question, don´t know if it has already been asked. If it has my apologies.
There are a lot of Tristars parked in Saudi Arabia that belonged to Saudia and are now owned by Regency Projects of Pakistan. Being that these machines have -524 engines and they have a lot less hours/cycles than most of the Tristars that are still flying, my question is; why isn´t anyone jumping on these planes, they must at least be good for bulk cargo.
-200 models, decent hours/cycles and plenty of spares...
Doesn´t make sense, maybe anyone in the know would be kind enough to provide an answer.
Thanks
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From: Dunstable, Beds UK
Camilo,
The Saudi aircraft have a 524-B2 engine which is only used in the -200.
The -500 has the B4 engines.
The big AD's that are currently due will be needed on all the Saudi aircraft which have been on the ground for several years.
Additionally bringing these aircraft up to date with EU requirements is not cheap as 411 can probably tell you !!
Bulk loading without a cargo door has not proved very successful
There are -200 aircraft out there that have cargo doors so they would be a better bet.
The Saudi aircraft have a 524-B2 engine which is only used in the -200.
The -500 has the B4 engines.
The big AD's that are currently due will be needed on all the Saudi aircraft which have been on the ground for several years.
Additionally bringing these aircraft up to date with EU requirements is not cheap as 411 can probably tell you !!
Bulk loading without a cargo door has not proved very successful
There are -200 aircraft out there that have cargo doors so they would be a better bet.
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are now owned by Regency Projects of Pakistan
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From: bogota
Hi
This was posted in another forum by the user TZTriStar500 , sad to see those L15´s go.
"Well folks, it is finally coming closer to the end. Two of the three L-1011-500s in the fleet are now officially scheduled for retirement. N162AT will depart in late February and N163AT in April. That will leave only N164AT left which is currently undergoing a C check at Victorville Aerospace and will be completed late Feb. 164 should fly through approx. March of 2009 at most and would then end the L-1011 era at TZ and in 121 ops in the US.
As for what will happen to them, 162 and 163 may placed up for sale, but the engines are certainly needed just to keep 164 going for the next year pending the -524 engine disk life reduction AD".
This was posted in another forum by the user TZTriStar500 , sad to see those L15´s go.
"Well folks, it is finally coming closer to the end. Two of the three L-1011-500s in the fleet are now officially scheduled for retirement. N162AT will depart in late February and N163AT in April. That will leave only N164AT left which is currently undergoing a C check at Victorville Aerospace and will be completed late Feb. 164 should fly through approx. March of 2009 at most and would then end the L-1011 era at TZ and in 121 ops in the US.
As for what will happen to them, 162 and 163 may placed up for sale, but the engines are certainly needed just to keep 164 going for the next year pending the -524 engine disk life reduction AD".
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From: LIS
Hi, here is the situation about TriStars in Portugal:
CS-TMP / LUZair - active, available for ACMIs
CS-TMR / LUZair - C-check, should be returning soon
CS-TEB / euroAtlantic - active, just returned from storage and structural repairs at GAMCO, available for ACMIs
CS-TMX / euroAtlantic - already broken up (you can see photos at tristar500. !!!!!!!! . com )
CS-TFP should be the next portuguese TriStar. Later I will give you the MSN.
CS-TMP / LUZair - active, available for ACMIs
CS-TMR / LUZair - C-check, should be returning soon
CS-TEB / euroAtlantic - active, just returned from storage and structural repairs at GAMCO, available for ACMIs
CS-TMX / euroAtlantic - already broken up (you can see photos at tristar500. !!!!!!!! . com )
CS-TFP should be the next portuguese TriStar. Later I will give you the MSN.
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From: bogota
Hi CS-TMX
Is the new -500 going to Luzair or Euroatlantic?. Is this the Interstate plane recently overhauled at the Middle East?. Ex Delta, maybe?.
And another question for the experts on the thread, If I wanted to start a -500 operation now, approximately how many aircraft would it be possible to get to airworthy condition?. The more I look at pictures of VCV the more those Tristars seem to be more incomplete.
Thanks!.
Is the new -500 going to Luzair or Euroatlantic?. Is this the Interstate plane recently overhauled at the Middle East?. Ex Delta, maybe?.
And another question for the experts on the thread, If I wanted to start a -500 operation now, approximately how many aircraft would it be possible to get to airworthy condition?. The more I look at pictures of VCV the more those Tristars seem to be more incomplete.
Thanks!.
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From: Arizona USA
Ahhh, and a nice one it is, too.
Everything works as advertised...no small feat with this complicated aeroplane.
Everything works as advertised...no small feat with this complicated aeroplane.
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From: Georgia, USA
camilo1,
Realistically the total number of L-1011's that could be put back in service is quite low. They would all have to be RB-211-524 powered versions, the -200's, -250's or -500's. The other models used RB-211-22B's and they are no longer supported.
Less than 70 of these airframe exist and many of them have been in storage for many years and their overall condition has to be suspect. Some of these the 9 RAF airframes, the 3 VIP configured aircraft are not suitable for commerical use.
Realistically the total number of L-1011's that could be put back in service is quite low. They would all have to be RB-211-524 powered versions, the -200's, -250's or -500's. The other models used RB-211-22B's and they are no longer supported.
Less than 70 of these airframe exist and many of them have been in storage for many years and their overall condition has to be suspect. Some of these the 9 RAF airframes, the 3 VIP configured aircraft are not suitable for commerical use.
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From: bogota
Thanks for your answer 411A, I really appreciate your input.
Say I went to VCV, or Taif and wanted to buy a Tristar, what would it cost to buy a Tristar?, and what would it be for all the ADs, technical upgrades and maintenance to get it to fly again?. I know Rolls Royce still supports the RB 211-524, but do they sell any overhauled engines?.
I guess that the work should be carried out in the Middle East, because of costs, I´m looking for the cheapest alternative.
Regards
Camilo
By the way, does anyone know if HZ AB1 still belongs to the Saudi Prince?.
Say I went to VCV, or Taif and wanted to buy a Tristar, what would it cost to buy a Tristar?, and what would it be for all the ADs, technical upgrades and maintenance to get it to fly again?. I know Rolls Royce still supports the RB 211-524, but do they sell any overhauled engines?.
I guess that the work should be carried out in the Middle East, because of costs, I´m looking for the cheapest alternative.
Regards
Camilo
By the way, does anyone know if HZ AB1 still belongs to the Saudi Prince?.
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From: LIS
Ahhh, and a nice one it is, too.
Everything works as advertised...no small feat with this complicated aeroplane.
Everything works as advertised...no small feat with this complicated aeroplane.
Here is a picture of it:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4704/tladwjf0.jpg
And other L10s seen from my own!
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2...edonianwr4.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9119/privatemr3.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/882/fujairahai2.jpg
Finally, my workplace also at Fujairah:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/923/luz1011vj5.jpg
