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Rainboe, Guppy,
I will second that comment - it's so refreshing to have a proper expert on the forum and one who doesn't patronise or critcise even the simplest of questions, that book sounds like a great idea!
thanks for all your input:
VnV...
I will second that comment - it's so refreshing to have a proper expert on the forum and one who doesn't patronise or critcise even the simplest of questions, that book sounds like a great idea!
thanks for all your input:
VnV...
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And humble too. Bless.
Seriously though SNSGuppy, your explanations are a shining example to others on how you can bring your point across without being rude or snobbish about it.
I love reading your posts. :-)
S.
Seriously though SNSGuppy, your explanations are a shining example to others on how you can bring your point across without being rude or snobbish about it.
I love reading your posts. :-)
S.
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Finding the gate
What's the secret to finding your gate when you land? Do you have special charts that give the exact location of each gate, or does someone discreetly show you the way, or what? I've seen airport diagrams but they just show runways and taxiways and things like that, not individual gates. I don't recall ever seeing a "Follow me" car or anything in front of the aircraft on actual flights I've taken. And it seems unlikely that pilots have memorized the position of every gate at every airport. So how do you find your way without getting lost or having to turn around or anything like that?
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Anthony,
When the aircraft is switched to ground frequency the controller will advise them what stand they are parking on and how to get there...ie "Take taxiway alpha, then juliet parking stand 214", as the aircraft gets to the end of the taxiway (or near it) then the gates are clearly signed.
When the aircraft is switched to ground frequency the controller will advise them what stand they are parking on and how to get there...ie "Take taxiway alpha, then juliet parking stand 214", as the aircraft gets to the end of the taxiway (or near it) then the gates are clearly signed.
RT Comms: ICAO code instead of Callsign
Hi
just wondering under what circumstances would an aircraft identify itself in radio communications using its airline ICAO code instead of it's airline Callsign, e.g. "Yankee Yankee Yankee 123" instead of "WingandaprAir123".
JAS
just wondering under what circumstances would an aircraft identify itself in radio communications using its airline ICAO code instead of it's airline Callsign, e.g. "Yankee Yankee Yankee 123" instead of "WingandaprAir123".
JAS
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There is an ICAO list of assigned operator callsigns. If your operator is on it, the callsign is used (not that it is always the case).
Icao doc 8585 http://dcaa.slv.dk:8000/icaodocs/Doc...-%20Decode.pdf (3,2mb)
FD (the un-real)
Icao doc 8585 http://dcaa.slv.dk:8000/icaodocs/Doc...-%20Decode.pdf (3,2mb)
FD (the un-real)
Thanks for the reply and link FD, but it doesn't quite answer my question (althogh, strangely enough, the airline in question isn't listed in the document you linked, but I can get it's ICAO info through google).
Assume an airline; "Flaky Air", with ICAO code YYY (yes I know that's reserved) and callsign "WingandaprAir". My (all be it limited) understanding is that on all flights operated by the airline (with the possible execption being wet-leases to another operator) in all radio communications with ATC the aircraft would identify itself as "WingandaprAir <Flight Designator>". So, under what circumstances would they delibertily identify the flight as "YYY <Flight Designator>"?
The only reason I asks is I overheard a flight using its ICAO code rather than callsign in all ATC communications and I'm fairly sure it was intentional, as at one stage the pilot communicating with ATC initially used the airlines callsign, then restarted the messages using the ICAO code. Before anyone gets uppity, it's not a conspiracy, I'm not questioning the abilities or motives of those involved. Its nothing more the idle curiosity (and my choice of hypotetical airline name and callsign is not intended to infer any view on the airline or individuals ivolved, it is intended to be light hearted).
JAS
Assume an airline; "Flaky Air", with ICAO code YYY (yes I know that's reserved) and callsign "WingandaprAir". My (all be it limited) understanding is that on all flights operated by the airline (with the possible execption being wet-leases to another operator) in all radio communications with ATC the aircraft would identify itself as "WingandaprAir <Flight Designator>". So, under what circumstances would they delibertily identify the flight as "YYY <Flight Designator>"?
The only reason I asks is I overheard a flight using its ICAO code rather than callsign in all ATC communications and I'm fairly sure it was intentional, as at one stage the pilot communicating with ATC initially used the airlines callsign, then restarted the messages using the ICAO code. Before anyone gets uppity, it's not a conspiracy, I'm not questioning the abilities or motives of those involved. Its nothing more the idle curiosity (and my choice of hypotetical airline name and callsign is not intended to infer any view on the airline or individuals ivolved, it is intended to be light hearted).
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I don't recall ever seeing a "Follow me" car or anything in front of the aircraft on actual flights I've taken. And it seems unlikely that pilots have memorized the position of every gate at every airport. So how do you find your way without getting lost or having to turn around or anything like that?
For finding the gate, we call in advance, and have that information given us over the radio, a satphone or a datalink. Aeronautical charts publish gate positions, including diagrams and coordinates. Part of the airport area arrival is reviewing the area charts, arrival procedures, approaches, and then after landing, how we exit the runway and how we get where we need to go. Navigation on the ground is taken very seriously, because even at less than 20 knots, one can still get into a lot of trouble my making a wrong turn. We brief the taxi route, potential trouble spots with intersecting taxiways and runways, and then both pilots have an airport diagram available, with one looking outside, and one dividing his attention inside and out, and confirming each taxi turn and crossing.
We do get marshalling cars frequently, depending on where we go. They seem more common in Europe than most places. We also have airport signs marking taxiways and runways, and painted markings identifying gates and taxiways.
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"Follow Me" cars -
You get a "Follow Me" car coming in or going out in Russia...
Same for the CIS nations, and in China.
Not been to India recently, but was a "Follow Me" in Bombay for the cargo ramp.
Nice to have. I got lost a couple of times on unfamiliar airports.
Even once while taxiing a 747, at my "home base". Shame on me.
Of course, you young geeks and nerds never make mistakes.
Happy contrails
Same for the CIS nations, and in China.
Not been to India recently, but was a "Follow Me" in Bombay for the cargo ramp.
Nice to have. I got lost a couple of times on unfamiliar airports.
Even once while taxiing a 747, at my "home base". Shame on me.
Of course, you young geeks and nerds never make mistakes.
Happy contrails
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Sometimes the ATC is unfamiliar with the callsign and may respond to our call using the letters. Once they do I would stick to it to make thing easier. It is the content of the message which is important, not the label. Otherwise, I have no clue.
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How much spoiler deployment?
How do you decide how much spoiler to deploy, and when? Do you adjust the spoiler setting between the stops (between ARM and FLT, for example) or do you always advance it to the flight position if you need it at all? I know that there are guidelines for flap schedules but I haven't seen anything about spoiler schedules, so I assume pilots use them entirely at their discretion (?).
Also, in my sim I use spoilers mainly to slow down or to improve my rate of descent. Are there other clever uses of spoilers that I haven't discovered?
Also, in my sim I use spoilers mainly to slow down or to improve my rate of descent. Are there other clever uses of spoilers that I haven't discovered?
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Anthony,
That really depends on the airplane and the application. Spoilers serve a number of functions, including acting as speed brakes, devices to dump lift and put weight on wheels for landing, and serving to aid the ailerons in lateral or roll control in flight.
The way the spoilers are used varies with the airplane. Some airplanes use a set amount in flight, others use variable amounts in a speed brake capacity...some use them for roll control, others don't.
In our airplane, the speed brakes are auto spoilers on takeoff, and they're not armed. If we reject the takeoff, the spoilers will autodeploy when the second and fourth reverse levers are moved past the interlocks and into reverse. On landing, however, we arm the autospoilers and they deploy when the first and third thrust levers reach idle, and the weight is on the wheels enough to untilt them.
In flight, we use spoilers during a descent when necessary. It's generally preferred to not use them unless necessary; they make noise and vibration, and it's better to plan the descent and arrival without them. When given a late descent or a reduction in speed, however, they're a legitimate and useful tool for slowing down or going down, or both.
That really depends on the airplane and the application. Spoilers serve a number of functions, including acting as speed brakes, devices to dump lift and put weight on wheels for landing, and serving to aid the ailerons in lateral or roll control in flight.
The way the spoilers are used varies with the airplane. Some airplanes use a set amount in flight, others use variable amounts in a speed brake capacity...some use them for roll control, others don't.
In our airplane, the speed brakes are auto spoilers on takeoff, and they're not armed. If we reject the takeoff, the spoilers will autodeploy when the second and fourth reverse levers are moved past the interlocks and into reverse. On landing, however, we arm the autospoilers and they deploy when the first and third thrust levers reach idle, and the weight is on the wheels enough to untilt them.
In flight, we use spoilers during a descent when necessary. It's generally preferred to not use them unless necessary; they make noise and vibration, and it's better to plan the descent and arrival without them. When given a late descent or a reduction in speed, however, they're a legitimate and useful tool for slowing down or going down, or both.
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Some thoughts on why poeple leave thier gear down a little longer...they forgot...they are trying to let the water/snow ect spin off before they put the gear up in the well...cooling..they have a problem with an indicator.....but anyway you cut it...gear up for second segment is the rule...so leaving it down, messes with the numbers....
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If one plans for a gear down departure or delay with the gear and uses performance calculation accordingly, how does this "mess with the numbers," oh mighty technical one?
If one meets the climb gradient criteria, is this particularly relevant, and if one exceeds the certification second segment criteria during a diverse criteria departure, is it particularly important?
If one meets the climb gradient criteria, is this particularly relevant, and if one exceeds the certification second segment criteria during a diverse criteria departure, is it particularly important?
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Yes, we do. It's all calculated using our Onboard Performance System...and we account for everything, including gear extention.
Of course, if the climb performance is in excess of the climb gradient required, then it's really irrelevant.
Whereas second segment performance begins with gear retraction and extends through typically 400-1,500' (depending on obstacles), if one hasn't retracted the gear and has first segment performance data, then one may use that. If one's performance is far in excess of the required gradient, and if one is using diverse criteria (you do know what that is, right??), then it's largely irrelevant.
You're so technical. "Messing with the numbers." Imagine what you'd say if you really knew what you were talking about!
Of course, if the climb performance is in excess of the climb gradient required, then it's really irrelevant.
Whereas second segment performance begins with gear retraction and extends through typically 400-1,500' (depending on obstacles), if one hasn't retracted the gear and has first segment performance data, then one may use that. If one's performance is far in excess of the required gradient, and if one is using diverse criteria (you do know what that is, right??), then it's largely irrelevant.
You're so technical. "Messing with the numbers." Imagine what you'd say if you really knew what you were talking about!