Airbus admits further delay on A380
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: us
Posts: 694
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Wino
REALLY?
Today ILFC was talking about canceling their order...
Don't forget Concorde had over 120 firm orders...
Cheers
Wino
Today ILFC was talking about canceling their order...
Don't forget Concorde had over 120 firm orders...
Cheers
Wino
Airbus, a European aircraft maker, needs to sell about 300 of its new A380 aircraft to break even.
According to a spokesman for EADS, which owns 80% of Airbus, the aircraft maker needs to sell about 300 aircraft even if the euro-US dollar exchange rate remains at 1.30 for years, Reuters reported. The statement by the official reportedly confirmed comments made by Philippe Camus, EADS co-director.
According to a spokesman for EADS, which owns 80% of Airbus, the aircraft maker needs to sell about 300 aircraft even if the euro-US dollar exchange rate remains at 1.30 for years, Reuters reported. The statement by the official reportedly confirmed comments made by Philippe Camus, EADS co-director.
Cut & Paste Intellectual
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Durham
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Concomitant with known electrical problems – mainly “traceable to bottlenecks formed in the definition, manufacturing and installation of systems and resulting harnesses” - an informed source at Derby who are actively engaged in making the Trent 900 - related to me that a little matter of the A380 being currently 20% over design weight - is causing Gustav Humbert a few sleepless nights.
So far it would appear that 15 airframes are assembled and they are now cutting metal on A/F 36. Bit of spannering yet to come on these and some changes down the line for others?
So far it would appear that 15 airframes are assembled and they are now cutting metal on A/F 36. Bit of spannering yet to come on these and some changes down the line for others?
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well with only 150 some thing A380’s on order and the A350 what ever it will be called not due until around 2012, the rate they will build and deliver the 380 will allow the nice big shed that houses it all to be recycled into the 350 whatever line. Environmentalists will be happy with this one.
If they had listened to the people working on the production line on the 340 600 farce back in 2003 when they adopted the, ‘if it takes one man ten hours to do a job, it will take ten men one hour to the same job’ approach and sorted out their stupid designed support teams, this comedy of errors would never had happened.
If they had listened to the people working on the production line on the 340 600 farce back in 2003 when they adopted the, ‘if it takes one man ten hours to do a job, it will take ten men one hour to the same job’ approach and sorted out their stupid designed support teams, this comedy of errors would never had happened.
Trash du Blanc
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: KBHM
Posts: 1,185
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
[T]he follies of corporate ego$, especially after a merger suddenly re-writes history[....]
I went to Long Beach in 2001 for MD-11 training (the first time).
Had a day off and ventured to the corporate gift store in the old MacDac plant.
EVERY reminder of McD was gone. Not a single sticker, patch or model available. Instead - all Boeing, all the time.
They even had "Boeing DC-8" patches. Oh, the humanity....
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Paradise
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fiasco
Airbus have let themselves be wangled into a corner by the "merchants from the other side". They foolishly withdrew the
A350 design at the first whim and caprice of people like SIA who would never have ordered it or any new "improved" plane they developed, these guys are firmly "pro-boeing/USA" .....and now they have allowed themselves to be pushed into a corner with the A380, thereby handing Boeing an undererved "win"..the Europeans have to decide where they are..on this side of the Atlantic or drowning somewhere in between!!
A350 design at the first whim and caprice of people like SIA who would never have ordered it or any new "improved" plane they developed, these guys are firmly "pro-boeing/USA" .....and now they have allowed themselves to be pushed into a corner with the A380, thereby handing Boeing an undererved "win"..the Europeans have to decide where they are..on this side of the Atlantic or drowning somewhere in between!!
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Is it all coming apart, a bit historical really
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...op+French.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...op+French.html
The Aquatone Article
Join Date: May 2004
Location: London
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The problem with Prune is that either
- no one reads the posts (true much of the time), or
- no one knows anything about commercial aviation.
Okay, slightly sweeping statements(!). But this thread is a classic example. UL730 says that he's heard that the A380 is "20% over design weight" and no one bats an eyelid. 20%? 20%? That's an absurd, outrageous number that no one who's ever worked seriously with heavy jet transport aircraft would ever give currency to.
Are there any aviation professionals out there, or is this really just one enormous Spotter's Balcony?
- no one reads the posts (true much of the time), or
- no one knows anything about commercial aviation.
Okay, slightly sweeping statements(!). But this thread is a classic example. UL730 says that he's heard that the A380 is "20% over design weight" and no one bats an eyelid. 20%? 20%? That's an absurd, outrageous number that no one who's ever worked seriously with heavy jet transport aircraft would ever give currency to.
Are there any aviation professionals out there, or is this really just one enormous Spotter's Balcony?
Thunderball, I certainly batted an eyelid, as I'm sure did anyone else reading that post. But that's about all; one wades through the trash and carries on reading.
Much more significant is the Flight article (and, Dozy, putting all journos in the same category is a bit like putting all, to take something current, football players or even, heretically perhaps, pilots).
That article points up (one of) the dangerous differences between companies that have to survive on their wits (and all that goes with same, including political connections) and those where politics is at very top of the agenda. Not visible when things are going ok, paramount when they're not.
Airbus's difficulties with the 380 and Boeing's with the 787 are essentially similar, those encountered when you venture into hitherto unexplored areas. Same with software, cars, what have you, higher stakes perhaps. They will all surely be resolved. Somehow.
What's really interesting now is the way the respective companies deal with their problems, and the impact "friendly fire" will have on the collective effort to solve them. My guess is that Airbus will suffer more from friendly fire than from anything else.
Much more significant is the Flight article (and, Dozy, putting all journos in the same category is a bit like putting all, to take something current, football players or even, heretically perhaps, pilots).
That article points up (one of) the dangerous differences between companies that have to survive on their wits (and all that goes with same, including political connections) and those where politics is at very top of the agenda. Not visible when things are going ok, paramount when they're not.
Airbus's difficulties with the 380 and Boeing's with the 787 are essentially similar, those encountered when you venture into hitherto unexplored areas. Same with software, cars, what have you, higher stakes perhaps. They will all surely be resolved. Somehow.
What's really interesting now is the way the respective companies deal with their problems, and the impact "friendly fire" will have on the collective effort to solve them. My guess is that Airbus will suffer more from friendly fire than from anything else.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: fairly close to the colonial capitol
Age: 55
Posts: 1,693
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What's really interesting now is the way the respective companies deal with their problems, and the impact "friendly fire" will have on the collective effort to solve them. My guess is that Airbus will suffer more from friendly fire than from anything else.
The French government should implement some rational ideas - ideas that include change where it is truly needed - not some symbolic sacrifice in an overt attempt to burnish the corporate image. They should avoid emotional overreaction and cronyism. (good luck here)
I do agree with the Germans that a certain someone should take a hike - without taking the company (along) for a (an expensive) ride.
Infighting never looks good and will scare away the clientele. I am reminded of my mother and father - never arguing about serious matters in public - always showing solidarity where it counts - this is how a good company should also behave.
I went to Long Beach in 2001 for MD-11 training (the first time).
Had a day off and ventured to the corporate gift store in the old MacDac plant.
EVERY reminder of McD was gone. Not a single sticker, patch or model available. Instead - all Boeing, all the time.
They even had "Boeing DC-8" patches. Oh, the humanity....
Had a day off and ventured to the corporate gift store in the old MacDac plant.
EVERY reminder of McD was gone. Not a single sticker, patch or model available. Instead - all Boeing, all the time.
They even had "Boeing DC-8" patches. Oh, the humanity....
Last edited by vapilot2004; 23rd Jun 2006 at 00:53.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 459
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thunderball2.
.
You mention that UL370 says 380 may be 20% to heavy, UL370 may well be correct, the information I hear is Airbus would like at least 20% weight reduction or make it 20% bigger with same weight.
.
You must admit, she looks very heavy in all the pictures posted.
.
I think the 380 is just a little ahead of its time, the Concorde was way ahead of its time, the 380 will be interesting over the next few years.
.
Looks like the 787 will get his timing just about right.
.
You mention that UL370 says 380 may be 20% to heavy, UL370 may well be correct, the information I hear is Airbus would like at least 20% weight reduction or make it 20% bigger with same weight.
.
You must admit, she looks very heavy in all the pictures posted.
.
I think the 380 is just a little ahead of its time, the Concorde was way ahead of its time, the 380 will be interesting over the next few years.
.
Looks like the 787 will get his timing just about right.
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Not sure now
Posts: 540
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Open Cabinet
Originally Posted by Huck
I went to Long Beach in 2001 for MD-11 training (the first time).
Had a day off and ventured to the corporate gift store in the old MacDac plant.
EVERY reminder of McD was gone. Not a single sticker, patch or model available. Instead - all Boeing, all the time.
They even had "Boeing DC-8" patches. Oh, the humanity....
Had a day off and ventured to the corporate gift store in the old MacDac plant.
EVERY reminder of McD was gone. Not a single sticker, patch or model available. Instead - all Boeing, all the time.
They even had "Boeing DC-8" patches. Oh, the humanity....
In the mid to late 90s I used to do recurrent on the -80 in Long Beach. Every trip I'd go over to the airline delivery office and ask for a few stickers. They would give me a couple each trip. After Boeing bought McD I went in and asked for some stickers expecting to get a few more. They were in the process of shutting that office down. The lady pointed to a back room and said, "the cabinet is back there, help yourself". I now have a nice collection of McDonnell Douglas stickers
TP
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Dubai, UAE
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Airbus's difficulties with the 380 and Boeing's with the 787 are essentially similar, those encountered when you venture into hitherto unexplored areas.
On the contrary, the problems faced by the two are decades apart.
The 380 introduces very little new tech. it just increases the size of the existing. AB problems come from a dual management structure between two partners who barley talk on a day to day basis. The solution lies not with the engineers or the aircraft but in the board room. The prob will be fixed by throwing money at the buyers. How can management let the worlds premium airliner go down the tubes, or at best get stuck for a while, because some electrical connections are not right, or not available.
B problems come from the fact that they are producing an aircraft that is at the cutting edge. The composite fuse has never been tried before. The problems rest with the engineers and development people. The problem will be fixed by throwing money at the problem. They at least have the support of a unified management and a company all trying to go in the same direction.
If AB do not sort the underlying prob. then the future looks bleak.
On the contrary, the problems faced by the two are decades apart.
The 380 introduces very little new tech. it just increases the size of the existing. AB problems come from a dual management structure between two partners who barley talk on a day to day basis. The solution lies not with the engineers or the aircraft but in the board room. The prob will be fixed by throwing money at the buyers. How can management let the worlds premium airliner go down the tubes, or at best get stuck for a while, because some electrical connections are not right, or not available.
B problems come from the fact that they are producing an aircraft that is at the cutting edge. The composite fuse has never been tried before. The problems rest with the engineers and development people. The problem will be fixed by throwing money at the problem. They at least have the support of a unified management and a company all trying to go in the same direction.
If AB do not sort the underlying prob. then the future looks bleak.
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: North of London
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Have Airbus gone completely mad?
According to the BBC, Airbus have just announced a price rise of the A380. This smacks of desperation and further incompetence. After all, they can't build them, they can't sell them, airlines are struggling with high fuel prices - still, and they have not sold one in how long? It already costs $285 million and launch customers ILFC are even considering cancelling their orders!!! When was the last order announced, going on for two years and still 100 aircraft short of a break even point?
From the Beeb: According to the Financial Times Deutschland, the list price of the A380 - which will become world's largest airliner - rose by 4.7% to between 235.4m euros ($295.6m; £161.9m) and 251.6m euros ($316m; £173.1m) earlier this month.
Airbus have had a bad week and I'll bet Foregard is made to resign; after all, how could he not know their were going to be significant delays because it must have become apparent in the building of the first few machines? This was well before he sold his shares which makes him guilty of insider trading.
I know there are many detractors on this site, but are we looking at the biggest white elephant in aviation history??
From the Beeb: According to the Financial Times Deutschland, the list price of the A380 - which will become world's largest airliner - rose by 4.7% to between 235.4m euros ($295.6m; £161.9m) and 251.6m euros ($316m; £173.1m) earlier this month.
Airbus have had a bad week and I'll bet Foregard is made to resign; after all, how could he not know their were going to be significant delays because it must have become apparent in the building of the first few machines? This was well before he sold his shares which makes him guilty of insider trading.
I know there are many detractors on this site, but are we looking at the biggest white elephant in aviation history??
