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Perhaps Airbus were slow to react - but what would you have them do - respond to something they hadn't read? Even the Seattle press manage a more balanced perspective
Sorry Kuningen but I still think you're missing the point. You can't write a balanced perspective about a biased analysis. The Times wasn't trying to write a balanced article about the aircraft - in which case your complaint would be justified - it was writing a balanced article about the American report into the aircraft. There's a subtle difference.
It's not the Times' job to refute the report. It's Airbus' because they built the bloody thing. The paper simply has a duty to state clearly what the source of the information is - which it did - and let its readers decide whether they want to believe the stuff which the US has churned out or not. I think any suggestion that the readers are too dumb to work out that there might be a hint of sour grapes or biased assessment in an American report into the A380 is highly insulting.
If Alex Ferguson says that Arsenal is a crap team, do you really need it explaining to you that he might not be entirely independent? Do you really need an equal number of sentences from Arsene Thingy to make sure your poor readers aren't misled? Tripe.
As for Airbus needing time to read the report before commenting, that's just rubbish. Airbus is quite capable of reeling out a shedload of rent-a-quote, feel-good comments about the A380 at the drop of a hat. If they chose not to take a spoon-fed opportunity to redress the balance a bit, having been handed it by a Times reporter, more fool them.
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Surely the people who Airbus really want to know about the aircraft already do know whether it is a good product or not - they've been briefing airlines, investors, banks et al for years about it. Why should they really care what the great unwashed think (alright, Times readers might wash sometimes)?
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How a Boeing report on Airbus can be considered a "bombshell" is a bit over the top.
Definitely an oxymoron, just like "US Intelligence" in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq.
Time has come to review the credibility of the so called expert opinions coming out of the US I think, and not only with regards to Airbus, the market leader in civil aviation!
Besides, who cares what Boeing thinks about Airbus, or Airbus about Boeing, or who is market leader? The important thing is that we all have one or the other to fly and get to make MONEY.
Definitely an oxymoron, just like "US Intelligence" in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq.
Time has come to review the credibility of the so called expert opinions coming out of the US I think, and not only with regards to Airbus, the market leader in civil aviation!
Besides, who cares what Boeing thinks about Airbus, or Airbus about Boeing, or who is market leader? The important thing is that we all have one or the other to fly and get to make MONEY.
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From the report:
Is some of the most laughable justification for the 7E7 I've seen. These academics seem to think the entire world has airport's the size of Texas. How are BA or LH going to justify adding a low-yield service from Bumfu*k, Indiana to their major, heavily slot congested hub?
I mean, really!
Long-haul travelers also prefer nonstops to connecting flights. While the A380 is wellsuited
to handle significant volumes of passengers in “hub-to-hub” service, this type of
operation forces travelers to endure additional connections that may not be necessary.
For example, to travel between Indianapolis and Bremen, Germany, today typically
requires two connections, with routings such as IND-IAD-FRA-BRE, or IND-DTWAMS-
BRE. The use of smaller aircraft such as the 7E7 or the A330-200 (or the 767, for
that matter) to add an Indianapolis “spoke” from Lufthansa’s Frankfurt hub, would
reduce the IND-BRE trip to a single connection and clearly would be a more desirable
alternative for high-yield business travelers than a double connection.
to handle significant volumes of passengers in “hub-to-hub” service, this type of
operation forces travelers to endure additional connections that may not be necessary.
For example, to travel between Indianapolis and Bremen, Germany, today typically
requires two connections, with routings such as IND-IAD-FRA-BRE, or IND-DTWAMS-
BRE. The use of smaller aircraft such as the 7E7 or the A330-200 (or the 767, for
that matter) to add an Indianapolis “spoke” from Lufthansa’s Frankfurt hub, would
reduce the IND-BRE trip to a single connection and clearly would be a more desirable
alternative for high-yield business travelers than a double connection.
I mean, really!
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If you read through the report [ok it's 99 pages so maybe not], you will see there are quite a few crude estimations in place. Simply look at how they forecast how many A380 freighter versions will be sold over a 20-year period....by looking at the deliveries of 747s made, looking at how many of these were freighters (9.9%) and then applying this to the A380 ... yeah ok!
Interestingly, with the 747Adv in the near-term pipeline, this report also points that [if you read between what they are saying about the A380], the 747Adv will only sell around 300 aircraft....that's 12 aircraft produced PER year or one / month. Not too much really!
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Interestingly, with the 747Adv in the near-term pipeline, this report also points that [if you read between what they are saying about the A380], the 747Adv will only sell around 300 aircraft....that's 12 aircraft produced PER year or one / month. Not too much really!
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weather in Toulouse is not looking to bad, no clouds, no fog at the time of posting.
I went by Toulouse airport yesterday morning at about 10:00 to collect somebody arriving on EI's service from Dublin. Extremely black clouds just north of the apron. As I watched EI land at about 09:50, a mix of hail and heavy rain was falling with quite a strong northerly wind.
The weather is f
awful here recently. Springs seems to have got lost somewhere...Sorry, just realised your weather map automatically updates (as you said yourself in your post!). Excellent...
This morning in Toulouse 22/04/05: Nearly overcast, fairly high cloud cover, no winds, temperature around 10°C at 09:00 (local time). Rain expected later.
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A380 First Flight
Not sure how "new" this news is or if it's been covered elsewhere, but it's the latest I've seen.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_2860013.htm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_2860013.htm