Aer Lingus to order 3 A380's
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Jim - where are you hearing your stories from?
First of all - Dublin airport fastest growing airport?? It's a bloody kip!!
Aer Lingus don't use 747s for years and then suddenly when they aim more everyday to become a LOCO they start buying the biggest plane in the world?!
The plans you mention of the construction of the new terminal are not as advanced as you make out either.
As it stands anyway DUB could not facilitate a 380.
First of all - Dublin airport fastest growing airport?? It's a bloody kip!!
Aer Lingus don't use 747s for years and then suddenly when they aim more everyday to become a LOCO they start buying the biggest plane in the world?!
The plans you mention of the construction of the new terminal are not as advanced as you make out either.
As it stands anyway DUB could not facilitate a 380.
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Before they buy new aircraft, I think that EI have to define its product, is it a LOCO or a Flag carrier? Premier class is gone on most routes, they wont fly coffins and they even have to give a phonetic version of the gaelic passenger briefing to the Flight Attendants, so whatever happened to the Irish colleens smile?
They will still attract North Amercian vacationers going home to the olde sod, but they will get eaten alive if the enter the Far East market!
EK/QR/EY have to fill those A380's somehow!
But one thing to mention though is that the A380 has very low maintenance costs compared to a plane like the 747-400
Where did you get the figures from? Are they based on mx costs divided by 800 seats?
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They will still attract North Amercian vacationers going home to the olde sod, but they will get eaten alive if the enter the Far East market!
EK/QR/EY have to fill those A380's somehow!
But one thing to mention though is that the A380 has very low maintenance costs compared to a plane like the 747-400
Where did you get the figures from? Are they based on mx costs divided by 800 seats?
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Yeah but remember, everyone had all of these thoughts when Boeing proposed the 747. The A380 could end up being the future of aircraft but thats hard to tell at this stage and as I said, only time will tell as to whether this beast will be a success. I personally hope it is as it seems like a great aircraft but then again could also have the same future as the MD-11 and end up only being a success with cargo companies like UPS and FedEx.
That is not the case now. Oil is slowly runing out, prices will only go higher, and Airlines no longer have the cash to simply buy the A380 because their neighbours got one. Quads will always guzzle more fuel than twins. therefore the quads will always be more expensive to operate, good only for when ETOPS is not an option.
The widebody twins are here, and they're here to stay.
The a380 will sell to those who need it... and I believe those who do already have ordered it. There isn't much scope left for it. Two key customers it was aimed at have ditched the idea of big fat high density aircraft for their domestic services and opted for smaller, more efficient twin wide bodies (namely the 787) to operate more frequencies and garner more cash. These airlines are JAL and Air India.
Its a huge aircraft optimized for long haul into slot restricted airports. Well done to Airbus for pulling it off... but that is its limit.
Ask yourself this: Is the pax gonna ask, more engines more secure. Less engine less to go wrong? You have a # arguement
Now many have more in the food store than they need, but seek comfort by having spares.
# is the sign of fractured.
Now many have more in the food store than they need, but seek comfort by having spares.
# is the sign of fractured.
This 4 engines 4 long haul idea is dead... and Airbus proved it by announcing the A350. Not to mention the good sales of the 777.
but then again could also have the same future as the MD-11 and end up only being a success with cargo companies like UPS and FedEx.
They simply stuck wingtips on the DC-10 wing and hoped it would do.
It has poor fuel burn and range.
Heh, but then again... Airbus are good at promising things and delivering short. You could have a point.
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Mark I think I'd know a little bit more about Dublin Airport and Aer Lingus than you do, and thats pretty obvious from your rediculous statement above.
Dublin International Airport was in 2004 Europe's fastest growing airport. I admit I'm actually wrong in saying it currently is as now Shannon International Airport is Europe's fastest growing airport of 2005. But one indication that Dublin Airport is growing very fast is that the IAA have had to reduce horizontal separation between aircraft from 5nm to 3nm in order to handle all of the incoming and outgoing traffic.
But Dublin Airport is in no way a kip as you put it. I'd bet you've never even been but you think you've still got the right to comment on such an obnoxious and arrogant way. IMO Dublin Airport is very modern and although security may be an issue, everyone there is still very helpful and the services are great and I've never once had a problem in that airport unlike airports such as Paris-CDG, London-Heathrow and Barcelona where I've had lost baggage or baggage not being transferred properly and extremely inadequate service. So as far as I'm concerned, Dublin Airport deserves recognition for its services and it got it last year!
Aer Lingus are ONLY LCC on European routes and its planned to stay that way. Aer Lingus wouldn't be allowed to go LCC for any routes outside of Europe and I highly doubt they would either.
Funny how you can comment on Dublin's new terminal as no plans have been released to the public yet, probably the reason for this is because they've not finished designing it yet, nor deciding the site for construction so you can't comment.
I've been told by several sources that they will be accomodating the A380 in the future but thats not to say they'll actually get the A380 flying there.
Well done for stating the obvious. I've already stated that about 3 times.
Wtf? Thats biggest load of 
I've ever read.
Get your facts straight for one thing. Aer Lingus went back on their policy and they now fly coffins.
And in case your're not aware, the Irish language is a dieing language among the public and is rarely spoken outside the Western region of Ireland. So flight attendants do need those cards.
And as far as I'm concerned, those flight attendants still have that traditional Irish smile they're famous for.
I've flown on Aer Lingus many times and have never once had a problem with the cabin crew and they were always very friendly and and helpful.
And on another note, again Aer Lingus are only LCC in Europe and no where else. On trans-atlantic routes, they provide excellent service and its definitly to BA standard but your probably like Mark Noble in knockin it before tryin' it.
I got them from Airbus so take up your disbelief with them.
No airline will actually order the full 800 seats yeah idiot. I've already explained the reasons for this before so try go and reading previous posts before jumping to conclusions.
No ya stupid twit, try reading my post and you'll know what I mean. But for the benefit of such airheads like yourself, I'll explain it again. If Aer Lingus were to actually order some A380's in the future then they'd want a discount of course like any airline would. To get this discount they've bought a lot of A320's but these have now replaced their 737's so theres no problem with that but for them to benefit from a future discount Airbus sends over inspectors to see that they're using all of their planes and not just buying loads of them for a discount(which they are) but Aer Lingus make it seem like they're not. Might seem like rubbish to you but believe it or not its true.
Yeah thats true, McDonnell Douglas did rush the project a lot and I'd say maybe if they spent more time at it, they'd have had a better and more economical product and they probably wouldn't be out of business today.
Jim - where are you hearing your stories from?
First of all - Dublin airport fastest growing airport?? It's a bloody kip!!
First of all - Dublin airport fastest growing airport?? It's a bloody kip!!
But Dublin Airport is in no way a kip as you put it. I'd bet you've never even been but you think you've still got the right to comment on such an obnoxious and arrogant way. IMO Dublin Airport is very modern and although security may be an issue, everyone there is still very helpful and the services are great and I've never once had a problem in that airport unlike airports such as Paris-CDG, London-Heathrow and Barcelona where I've had lost baggage or baggage not being transferred properly and extremely inadequate service. So as far as I'm concerned, Dublin Airport deserves recognition for its services and it got it last year!
Aer Lingus don't use 747s for years and then suddenly when they aim more everyday to become a LOCO they start buying the biggest plane in the world?!
The plans you mention of the construction of the new terminal are not as advanced as you make out either.
I've been told by several sources that they will be accomodating the A380 in the future but thats not to say they'll actually get the A380 flying there.
As it stands anyway DUB could not facilitate a 380.
Before they buy new aircraft, I think that EI have to define its product, is it a LOCO or a Flag carrier? Premier class is gone on most routes, they wont fly coffins and they even have to give a phonetic version of the gaelic passenger briefing to the Flight Attendants, so whatever happened to the Irish colleens smile?
I've ever read. Get your facts straight for one thing. Aer Lingus went back on their policy and they now fly coffins.
And in case your're not aware, the Irish language is a dieing language among the public and is rarely spoken outside the Western region of Ireland. So flight attendants do need those cards.
And as far as I'm concerned, those flight attendants still have that traditional Irish smile they're famous for.
I've flown on Aer Lingus many times and have never once had a problem with the cabin crew and they were always very friendly and and helpful.
And on another note, again Aer Lingus are only LCC in Europe and no where else. On trans-atlantic routes, they provide excellent service and its definitly to BA standard but your probably like Mark Noble in knockin it before tryin' it.
But one thing to mention though is that the A380 has very low maintenance costs compared to a plane like the 747-400
Where did you get the figures from? Are they based on mx costs divided by 800 seats?
Where did you get the figures from? Are they based on mx costs divided by 800 seats?
No airline will actually order the full 800 seats yeah idiot. I've already explained the reasons for this before so try go and reading previous posts before jumping to conclusions.
So Airbus send out inspectors to make sure that Aer Lingus are using all their A320's. What complete and utter rubbish.
To be fair, the MD-11 flopped because McDonnell failed to make it perform to the gaurantess given.
They simply stuck wingtips on the DC-10 wing and hoped it would do.
It has poor fuel burn and range.
They simply stuck wingtips on the DC-10 wing and hoped it would do.
It has poor fuel burn and range.
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I got them from Airbus so take up your disbelief with them.
No airline will actually order the full 800 seats yeah idiot. I've already explained the reasons for this before so try go and reading previous posts before jumping to conclusions.
No airline will actually order the full 800 seats yeah idiot. I've already explained the reasons for this before so try go and reading previous posts before jumping to conclusions.
Airbuses "cheaper to operate" claims are based on it being full with 800 seats.
Its operating economics are based on every seat being filled. To put it simply... a less than full a380 looses a lot of its supposed advantages.
The airlines that have ordered it so far have done so as they are getting them for ridiculously low prices
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Thus they can afford the luxury of just 300 or 400 seats in them for the time being. But as oil prices rise... they'll soon fill them to the hilt with seats. That is of course if they do not cancel their orders should Airbus realy screw up and fail to meet performance gaurantees, which they shown to have a penchant for doing.
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Jim said;
Spare us the arrogance in future and why would anyone believe what you say when you cannot even spell?
This whole thread seems like someone put 2+2 together and got 6, never mind 5.
Mark I think I'd know a little bit more about Dublin Airport and Aer Lingus than you do, and thats pretty abvious from your rediculous statement above.
This whole thread seems like someone put 2+2 together and got 6, never mind 5.
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what crap...
Jim236,
The only A380 offered is the A380-800 and like we have seen with the 737-600 and the A318 the reduction in capacity is not in the same proportion as the costs and so it can sometimes be more cost effective to operate say the A319 or 737-700 if we apply the same logic to the A380, the 700 might not be cost effective with it becoming more difficult to cut weight and thus operating costs. Obviously you cant always rely with what you read on PPRuNe but at least take it on board, for example someone has claimed to have spoken to an airbus engineer about it being impossible to make an A380-700 and although it may not be true it remains interesting in this argument.
I have traveled through a few airports and I can safely say Dublin isn’t the best airport however it is clearly not the worst (I am using personal experience), I would rank it somewhere in the middle with airports like Hong Kong and Singapore being first, Dublin and Perth in the middle and then London Heathrow
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I find your posts quite humorous and I really wonder why no one has questioned your facts, where are all these press releases of Aer Lingus supposedly coming to Australia, Asia, and South Africa ect! I would really love to see Aer Lingus colors in Australia (of course Perth
) and I would go out of my way to travel them home however I think it is ridiculous to think that they would even consider it. How do I get to Ireland when I am returning home? There are many choices but the most obvious would be to use their oneworld partners like British Airways, Cathay Pacific or Qantas via Singapore or Hong Kong connecting with a number of cities in Europe and onto Dublin flying Aer Lingus. Ireland may have a relatively large population in Australia but I doubt they would be able to support Aer Lingus' future services. If that was the case why doesn’t Air France fly to Australia, why doesn’t Lufthansa or KLM for example fly to Australia? Because there probably isn’t enough of a market and so they code share. (Although Aer Lingus doesn’t do this, perhaps they should?)
Aer Lingus Long Haul isn’t exactly the best with passengers having the purchase alcohol, the IFE is inadequate with only one aircraft having PTV's with the rest using main screens, the food is also said to be of low quality. In that respect I would say they are not as good as other European carriers, and perhaps on par with some US carriers. Maybe you could take a look at Skytrax and read people’s views on Aer Lingus in comparison to other carriers?
I really doubt that Aer Lingus would ever get the A380 full stop. Smaller versions or not. As CM_Falcon has mentioned, Aer Lingus only carry 327 passengers on their aircraft and if they were to operate A380's we'll presume they would be configured at say around 550 like other airlines in a Three or four class lay out (even though Aer Lingus have been cutting down the amount of classes they offer...) that is a significant jump in capacity. If there is that much capacity what is wrong with EI management that they haven’t added capacity? Could it be that the demand isn’t there?
Also you mentioned before that Aer Lingus have managed to avoid the the Shannon stop over, but that was only because the flights were operated as charters... so your claims are incorrect.
I won’t even go near the idea that Airbus sends inspectors to see if the aircraft are being utilized
In contrast to most of the above that I have said, I really like Aer Lingus and totally agree with you that they still have the traditional Irish Smile even with the in flight cuts and I will continue to fly with them for that sole reason (plus the fact there Irish )
As for the squabbling...can we not have a proper discussion?
GOH
The only A380 offered is the A380-800 and like we have seen with the 737-600 and the A318 the reduction in capacity is not in the same proportion as the costs and so it can sometimes be more cost effective to operate say the A319 or 737-700 if we apply the same logic to the A380, the 700 might not be cost effective with it becoming more difficult to cut weight and thus operating costs. Obviously you cant always rely with what you read on PPRuNe but at least take it on board, for example someone has claimed to have spoken to an airbus engineer about it being impossible to make an A380-700 and although it may not be true it remains interesting in this argument.
I have traveled through a few airports and I can safely say Dublin isn’t the best airport however it is clearly not the worst (I am using personal experience), I would rank it somewhere in the middle with airports like Hong Kong and Singapore being first, Dublin and Perth in the middle and then London Heathrow
. I find your posts quite humorous and I really wonder why no one has questioned your facts, where are all these press releases of Aer Lingus supposedly coming to Australia, Asia, and South Africa ect! I would really love to see Aer Lingus colors in Australia (of course Perth
) and I would go out of my way to travel them home however I think it is ridiculous to think that they would even consider it. How do I get to Ireland when I am returning home? There are many choices but the most obvious would be to use their oneworld partners like British Airways, Cathay Pacific or Qantas via Singapore or Hong Kong connecting with a number of cities in Europe and onto Dublin flying Aer Lingus. Ireland may have a relatively large population in Australia but I doubt they would be able to support Aer Lingus' future services. If that was the case why doesn’t Air France fly to Australia, why doesn’t Lufthansa or KLM for example fly to Australia? Because there probably isn’t enough of a market and so they code share. (Although Aer Lingus doesn’t do this, perhaps they should?) Aer Lingus Long Haul isn’t exactly the best with passengers having the purchase alcohol, the IFE is inadequate with only one aircraft having PTV's with the rest using main screens, the food is also said to be of low quality. In that respect I would say they are not as good as other European carriers, and perhaps on par with some US carriers. Maybe you could take a look at Skytrax and read people’s views on Aer Lingus in comparison to other carriers?
I really doubt that Aer Lingus would ever get the A380 full stop. Smaller versions or not. As CM_Falcon has mentioned, Aer Lingus only carry 327 passengers on their aircraft and if they were to operate A380's we'll presume they would be configured at say around 550 like other airlines in a Three or four class lay out (even though Aer Lingus have been cutting down the amount of classes they offer...) that is a significant jump in capacity. If there is that much capacity what is wrong with EI management that they haven’t added capacity? Could it be that the demand isn’t there?
Also you mentioned before that Aer Lingus have managed to avoid the the Shannon stop over, but that was only because the flights were operated as charters... so your claims are incorrect.
I won’t even go near the idea that Airbus sends inspectors to see if the aircraft are being utilized
In contrast to most of the above that I have said, I really like Aer Lingus and totally agree with you that they still have the traditional Irish Smile even with the in flight cuts and I will continue to fly with them for that sole reason (plus the fact there Irish
) As for the squabbling...can we not have a proper discussion?
GOH
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Along with PPP's editing I have deleted a couple of the less-sensible recent posts here and ask Jim236 to chill out for a moment before posting again in the same manner?
It would be nice to keep this on the AL/Airbus topic rather than on mental instability
It would be nice to keep this on the AL/Airbus topic rather than on mental instability
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I too apologise for what I've said to others on here.
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I can't give you a link to any of these press releases but I've spent a qhile searching for them but to no avail. I assure I DID hear them announced by Aer Lingus on RTE News.
I can't tell you why Lufthansa or Air France haven't flown to Australia yet but maybe its just that there isn't a market there for them? I can tell you however that KLM's routes are chosen by Air France as they own 86% of the airline.
But why should this stop Aer Lingus who are an Irish airline and not French, Dutch or German?!
Also Aer Lingus have made attempts to increase seats and save money at the same time by getting rid of their food galleys and replacing them with seats.
And they are only able to fit 327 on their A330's but I'm sure if they had more seats they'd fill them very fast but theres a difference between the two.
I can assure you my claims are not incorrect but if you think your're right then please explain to me why Aer Lingus fly directly to LA and Chicago from Dublin without going through Shannon? And these routes are not charters and are flown all year-round.
On a final note I've flown with many airlines such as BA, Alitalia, BMI, Iberia, Air France but Aer Lingus to me always seems to be the best by far and probably because they're Irish but in saying that, I'm not too fond of Ryanair so Aer Lingus obviously have something about them that makes them so great for me. They also got Airline of the Year 2005 award this year and they defintitly deserve it for how far they've come since 2001 when they narrowly escaped bankruptcy. Whatever about their future long haul fleet and them buying A380's, I can't see them getting 777's either as Aer Lingus want to maintain a one type fleet and to do this the only Boeing plane they could get would be a 787 which is fly-by-wire and has a cockpit similar to that of an Airbus so it'd be easy to train pilots with.
Again I apologise for any offence I caused and I think my above statement is a fair one and should not offend anyone and I'm pretty sure most of what I've said above and in previous statements is true and most of it is what I've been told by Aer Lingus and SR Technics staff.
@GOH
I can't give you a link to any of these press releases but I've spent a qhile searching for them but to no avail. I assure I DID hear them announced by Aer Lingus on RTE News.
I can't tell you why Lufthansa or Air France haven't flown to Australia yet but maybe its just that there isn't a market there for them? I can tell you however that KLM's routes are chosen by Air France as they own 86% of the airline.
But why should this stop Aer Lingus who are an Irish airline and not French, Dutch or German?!
Also Aer Lingus have made attempts to increase seats and save money at the same time by getting rid of their food galleys and replacing them with seats.
And they are only able to fit 327 on their A330's but I'm sure if they had more seats they'd fill them very fast but theres a difference between the two.
Also you mentioned before that Aer Lingus have managed to avoid the the Shannon stop over, but that was only because the flights were operated as charters... so your claims are incorrect.
On a final note I've flown with many airlines such as BA, Alitalia, BMI, Iberia, Air France but Aer Lingus to me always seems to be the best by far and probably because they're Irish but in saying that, I'm not too fond of Ryanair so Aer Lingus obviously have something about them that makes them so great for me. They also got Airline of the Year 2005 award this year and they defintitly deserve it for how far they've come since 2001 when they narrowly escaped bankruptcy. Whatever about their future long haul fleet and them buying A380's, I can't see them getting 777's either as Aer Lingus want to maintain a one type fleet and to do this the only Boeing plane they could get would be a 787 which is fly-by-wire and has a cockpit similar to that of an Airbus so it'd be easy to train pilots with.
Again I apologise for any offence I caused and I think my above statement is a fair one and should not offend anyone and I'm pretty sure most of what I've said above and in previous statements is true and most of it is what I've been told by Aer Lingus and SR Technics staff.
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Here Here BOAC,
Speaking of EI / Airbus, I've been speaking with a few friends flying for them, who tell me there is a possible boeing offer there to replace the A330's with B777's and B787's. Seemingly the offer is something along the line of taking on the 777's first and then replacing some of them with the 787 when it is completed.
Again this is all rumour, but it sounds like a nice rumour
S.C.
Speaking of EI / Airbus, I've been speaking with a few friends flying for them, who tell me there is a possible boeing offer there to replace the A330's with B777's and B787's. Seemingly the offer is something along the line of taking on the 777's first and then replacing some of them with the 787 when it is completed.
Again this is all rumour, but it sounds like a nice rumour
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OK I concede the fact that they changed their mind about coffins 
But I still dont understand why they got rid of Premier !
I remember when one had to have leaving cert Gaelic to be allowed apply to EI, guess that times are changing. I first flew on EI 25 years ago, so I guess that I am qualified to say that the Irish smile isnt always there anymore!
As for the A380 costs, strangely enough I have had some nice salespeople trying to sell them to me~!
Have a nice day!
Mutt.
But I still dont understand why they got rid of Premier !I remember when one had to have leaving cert Gaelic to be allowed apply to EI, guess that times are changing. I first flew on EI 25 years ago, so I guess that I am qualified to say that the Irish smile isnt always there anymore!
As for the A380 costs, strangely enough I have had some nice salespeople trying to sell them to me~!
Have a nice day!
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Lads can I just say on behalf of every other Irish person on this website. We're not all like Jim.
A few things:
"Mark I think I'd know a little bit more about Dublin Airport and Aer Lingus than you do, and thats pretty obvious from your rediculous statement above."
And why's that?
No I've never been in Dublin airport. I've only lived in Dublin the last 24 years.
So "nobody" knows anything about the new terminal, but you do? Riiiiiiiiight.
Jim try having at look at LHR and LAX, just two examples of huge airports and then you will realise what a joke DUB is. Sure, it might have a few new fixtures and fittings but it's still the same old, same old. If the only thing you can think of when I say DUB is not up to scratch it security issues then you've a long way to go.
You're telling everyone in this thread that they're wrong and YOU'RE right (including pilots it would seem!!) and all this because you're qualified in it all just from sitting out in the Naul gazing at the planes coming into land????
Get a grip.
Can we all get back to reality now? EI will not be ordering A380s. End of.
A few things:
"Mark I think I'd know a little bit more about Dublin Airport and Aer Lingus than you do, and thats pretty obvious from your rediculous statement above."
And why's that?
No I've never been in Dublin airport. I've only lived in Dublin the last 24 years.
So "nobody" knows anything about the new terminal, but you do? Riiiiiiiiight.
Jim try having at look at LHR and LAX, just two examples of huge airports and then you will realise what a joke DUB is. Sure, it might have a few new fixtures and fittings but it's still the same old, same old. If the only thing you can think of when I say DUB is not up to scratch it security issues then you've a long way to go.
You're telling everyone in this thread that they're wrong and YOU'RE right (including pilots it would seem!!) and all this because you're qualified in it all just from sitting out in the Naul gazing at the planes coming into land????
Get a grip.
Can we all get back to reality now? EI will not be ordering A380s. End of.
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And EI 777 sure would look nice. I still have trouble believing they'd even consider it.
Great picture by the way Bmused, looks good in the green
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ads can I just say on behalf of every other Irish person on this website. We're not all like Jim.
A few things:
"Mark I think I'd know a little bit more about Dublin Airport and Aer Lingus than you do, and thats pretty obvious from your rediculous statement above."
And why's that?
No I've never been in Dublin airport. I've only lived in Dublin the last 24 years.
So "nobody" knows anything about the new terminal, but you do? Riiiiiiiiight.
Jim try having at look at LHR and LAX, just two examples of huge airports and then you will realise what a joke DUB is. Sure, it might have a few new fixtures and fittings but it's still the same old, same old. If the only thing you can think of when I say DUB is not up to scratch it security issues then you've a long way to go.
You're telling everyone in this thread that they're wrong and YOU'RE right (including pilots it would seem!!) and all this because you're qualified in it all just from sitting out in the Naul gazing at the planes coming into land????
Get a grip.
Can we all get back to reality now? EI will not be ordering A380s. End of.
A few things:
"Mark I think I'd know a little bit more about Dublin Airport and Aer Lingus than you do, and thats pretty obvious from your rediculous statement above."
And why's that?
No I've never been in Dublin airport. I've only lived in Dublin the last 24 years.
So "nobody" knows anything about the new terminal, but you do? Riiiiiiiiight.
Jim try having at look at LHR and LAX, just two examples of huge airports and then you will realise what a joke DUB is. Sure, it might have a few new fixtures and fittings but it's still the same old, same old. If the only thing you can think of when I say DUB is not up to scratch it security issues then you've a long way to go.
You're telling everyone in this thread that they're wrong and YOU'RE right (including pilots it would seem!!) and all this because you're qualified in it all just from sitting out in the Naul gazing at the planes coming into land????
Get a grip.
Can we all get back to reality now? EI will not be ordering A380s. End of.
I'm not always right and neither is anyone on here. I apologise for undermining you and only said it as a spur of the moment reply. But your're doing just that to me now by saying
"You're telling everyone in this thread that they're wrong and YOU'RE right (including pilots it would seem!!) and all this because you're qualified in it all just from sitting out in the Naul gazing at the planes coming into land????"
So my point, like the one you've just made, is that I know a lot more than you think and my interest in aviation is rarely spent gazing at planes landing and taking off.
AND I never said nobody knew anything about the new terminal and other than me.
Your're saying the new terminal will be nothing new, I'm saying from what I've heard fby Aer Lingus management, The Dublin Airport Fire Chief ans SR Technics that it will be a big thing and will have improved services and be able to accomodate large jets for the future but I only implied that as an indication. If you've heard otherwise by all of the same management above then fine, its obviously all unfactual bull****. You've done the same with the suggestion of Aer Lingus getting some A380's in the future by throwing it out the window and dismissing it straight away.
And lastly. Why do you think you, out of all Irish on here, that you can speak on behalf of them and single me out to be this nobody who knows all and is talking complete crap?
This is one of the first topics I've posted on this forum so you have no place commenting on me, do you see me doing this to you?
So maybe beforing telling other people to get a grip you should take a good look at yourself in future!
So, after BOAC gives a warning YOU think its OK to swear. Wrong! You can't and I removed the offending passage. The next to be removed might be you. I am giving you a bit of leeway as you are new but do NOT abuse and insult other people. They have an opinion too!
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What a laugh!!!
Fact: No EI A380s any time soon
Fact: No Airbus inspectors checking out A320 utilisation
(possibly the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!)
Fact: DUB terminal facilities are far from adequate
Fact: New 28R won't be long enough for either fully loaded 747-400 or A380
Fact: No 22 new routes in the States unless something very major happens.....not likely!
Fact: The MCO flight routes through SNN on the return leg, even though it is a charter. The ORD flight originates in SNN. The LAX flight only goes direct because every BOS flight goes through SNN.
Fact: Minimum 2 years before EI gets floated anywhere!
Fact: EI Premier on the Atlantic doesn't hold a candle to BA Club
What else you got Jim?
Fact: No Airbus inspectors checking out A320 utilisation
(possibly the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!)Fact: DUB terminal facilities are far from adequate
Fact: New 28R won't be long enough for either fully loaded 747-400 or A380
Fact: No 22 new routes in the States unless something very major happens.....not likely!
Fact: The MCO flight routes through SNN on the return leg, even though it is a charter. The ORD flight originates in SNN. The LAX flight only goes direct because every BOS flight goes through SNN.
Fact: Minimum 2 years before EI gets floated anywhere!
Fact: EI Premier on the Atlantic doesn't hold a candle to BA Club
What else you got Jim?
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Jim I'm not even going to bother getting into a tit for tat with you. I'm here with a view to becoming a pilot not arguing with someone who seems to be still wet behind the ears (judging by your grammar and spelling) and who is even inventing things that people have "said" in their reply.
I was talking about the current terminal in DUB when referring to fixtures and fittings and being same old, I didn't mention anything to do with the new building apart from the fact that nobody knows little about it yet.
"you're saying the new terminal will be nothing new" ...eh no, I didn't.
"And lastly. Why do you think you, out of all Irish on here, that you can speak on behalf of them and single me out to be this nobody who knows f**k all and is talking complete crap?"
I didn't say you were talking complete crap (but now that you mention it). I said not everyone is like you as in not everyone is so arrogant and unable to admit that they don't know it all.
I might point out that a lot of what you've said here is based on meeting someone while planespotting who claimed that their father was a driver for Aer Lingus? That person could've been some utter waffler who dreams of flying planes but in fact has nothing to do with it.
Now Jesus for the sake of us all, give it a rest will you.
I was talking about the current terminal in DUB when referring to fixtures and fittings and being same old, I didn't mention anything to do with the new building apart from the fact that nobody knows little about it yet.
"you're saying the new terminal will be nothing new" ...eh no, I didn't.
"And lastly. Why do you think you, out of all Irish on here, that you can speak on behalf of them and single me out to be this nobody who knows f**k all and is talking complete crap?"
I didn't say you were talking complete crap (but now that you mention it). I said not everyone is like you as in not everyone is so arrogant and unable to admit that they don't know it all.
I might point out that a lot of what you've said here is based on meeting someone while planespotting who claimed that their father was a driver for Aer Lingus? That person could've been some utter waffler who dreams of flying planes but in fact has nothing to do with it.
Now Jesus for the sake of us all, give it a rest will you.
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Fact: No EI A380s any time soon
[/quote]Fact: No Airbus inspectors checking out A320 utilisation (possibly the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!)[/quote]
Fair enough, most likely untrue and shouldn't have said it was.
Fact: DUB terminal facilities are far from adequate
Fact: New 28R won't be long enough for either fully loaded 747-400 or A380
Fact: No 22 new routes in the States unless something very major happens.....not likely!
Fact: The MCO flight routes through SNN on the return leg, even though it is a charter. The ORD flight originates in SNN. The LAX flight only goes direct because every BOS flight goes through SNN.
Fact: Minimum 2 years before EI gets floated anywhere!
Fact: EI Premier on the Atlantic doesn't hold a candle to BA Club
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I was talking about the current terminal in DUB when referring to fixtures and fittings and being same old
"you're saying the new terminal will be nothing new" ...eh no, I didn't.
The plans you mention of the construction of the new terminal are not as advanced as you make out either.
I didn't say you were talking complete crap (but now that you mention it). I said not everyone is like you as in not everyone is so arrogant and unable to admit that they don't know it all.
Jim I'm not even going to bother getting into a tit for tat with you. I'm here with a view to becoming a pilot not arguing with someone who seems to be still wet behind the ears (judging by your grammar and spelling) and who is even inventing things that people have "said" in their reply., I didn't mention anything to do with the new building apart from the fact that nobody knows little about it yet.
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