Volar a320 go around at eick
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Volar a320 go around at eick
Hi All ,
Volar A320 charter from fuertaventura to Shannon via Cork 18/04/2004, apparently about 1-2 meters off the ground a gust of wind blew the a/c off over the edge of the runway and then the pilots had to preform a go around. This was from a friend of mine on board at the time.
Just wondering if any one had more info. regarding would the airbus be able to preform a go around at such low altitude, would it not be commited to landing or so.
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Volar A320 charter from fuertaventura to Shannon via Cork 18/04/2004, apparently about 1-2 meters off the ground a gust of wind blew the a/c off over the edge of the runway and then the pilots had to preform a go around. This was from a friend of mine on board at the time.
Just wondering if any one had more info. regarding would the airbus be able to preform a go around at such low altitude, would it not be commited to landing or so.
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Well, since the aeroplane is not a smouldering wreck at the side of the runway, I'd venture the proposition that an A320 is indeed capable of a go-around. In avaition we commonly refer to such occurances as non-events. Just a hint .....
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I know that it was just one of those landings and all necessary actions were taken etc and all ended well.
Im sure it to be normal that a manual landing in general good conditions is common to the majority of pilots instead of using the auto only when necessary.
Im not one to know much about the A320 or critise any action taken any professional pilots, cause the closet ill get to flying a real one is on Microsoft flight Simulator on my PC
But is it the same when flying manual or autoland that there is Highlighted "LAND" on the PFD. Dose this not mean that the a/c is taking into account the current spd & alt ,that you would not have sufficient of one or both to preform a go around unless you do a touch and go?
Im sure it to be normal that a manual landing in general good conditions is common to the majority of pilots instead of using the auto only when necessary.
Im not one to know much about the A320 or critise any action taken any professional pilots, cause the closet ill get to flying a real one is on Microsoft flight Simulator on my PC
But is it the same when flying manual or autoland that there is Highlighted "LAND" on the PFD. Dose this not mean that the a/c is taking into account the current spd & alt ,that you would not have sufficient of one or both to preform a go around unless you do a touch and go?
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Boring! Is this a piece of news or is this a QUESTION? As a total non-event, I assume it is a question. Yes, aeroplanes can perform go-arounds with no problem even on ground contact. But as you have given the identity of the airline, date and therefore crew, you obviously wish more than just an answer. A perfectly normal procedure was carried out to prevent any risk to the aeroplane or passengers. Are you trying to make out you were in a 'death jet' averting doom by a whisker? You could have said (in the QUESTIONS forum) that you were in a low go-around and 'how normal is this?' But instead you exaggerated- I can guarantee that the a/c was NOT 'blown over the edge of the runway.' Had I been the Captain, I would be starting legal proceedings against you.
Fintan, I know you probably mean well, but a background of Microsoft Flight Sim is not enough to draw on to explain such a manouevre! Any jet can go around at any altitude, even after touching down.
Fintan, I know you probably mean well, but a background of Microsoft Flight Sim is not enough to draw on to explain such a manouevre! Any jet can go around at any altitude, even after touching down.
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an A330 going into Dublin a couple of weeks ago ....... at the very last moment severe weather forced a Go-around ......... the Skipper apologised for the "Suprise" but assured the passengers that if the landing had continued the "Suprise" would have been a much bigger one for all concerned !!!! .......
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My I echo my sentiments that a GA is a normal process, and would request all "spotters" "PC Fliers" please try and refrain asking for details of every GA that is a normal procedure. You each contribute to making into something it is not, and therefore cause the next post etc... As a guide, if you want to comment on something you think is "of interest" to the aviation community, read the monthly AAIB summaries. If the incident is of a type that does not feature in these, then it is considered a "routine operating occurrance".
In general airline practice, you are not "committed" to land until after Reverse Thrust is selected. The only exceptions will be with a further problem e.g. 2 EO on a 4 jet.
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would it not be commited to landing or so
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News or Question? A little of both.
No, not looking for more than just an answer than what i have already asked.
"exaggerated", no, "death jet", no, as i mentioned "APPARENTLY" having received the info from a pal who was a passenger.
Im sure that the normal SOP was carried out etc
CAN ONE NOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT BEING BARKED AT!
No, not looking for more than just an answer than what i have already asked.
"exaggerated", no, "death jet", no, as i mentioned "APPARENTLY" having received the info from a pal who was a passenger.
Im sure that the normal SOP was carried out etc
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You'd be better off asking these sort of questions at www.avsim.com or www.flightsim.com where the contributors are somewhat more patient.
You'd be better off asking these sort of questions at www.avsim.com or www.flightsim.com where the contributors are somewhat more patient.
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FINTAN,
I think the point the others are getting at is that this is not really rumour (you say it happened), or news (it is a non event), and hence it is a question, so you should have posted in the questions forum.
I think the point the others are getting at is that this is not really rumour (you say it happened), or news (it is a non event), and hence it is a question, so you should have posted in the questions forum.
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This type of stupidity has to stop.
For God's sake, if you think that a question is ridiculous, or shouldn't be asked - then it's probably best to just not respond to it!
Some of you guys are unbelievable - and what's worse is that the majority of you are in positions of great responsibility - and yet you can lose your cool over a stupid question??
Grow up - please!
For God's sake, if you think that a question is ridiculous, or shouldn't be asked - then it's probably best to just not respond to it!
Some of you guys are unbelievable - and what's worse is that the majority of you are in positions of great responsibility - and yet you can lose your cool over a stupid question??
Grow up - please!
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Fecking hell. Some of you pilot chappies can be an odd bunch.
As SLF I felt Fintan's question was fair enough. If you don't like it, what's the point of logging on and slagging him/her off? I'm a regular on Pprune (largely on JB because I'm not a pilot) and one of the more depressing aspects of R&N is the constant slagging of us mere mortals, and -- worse IMHO -- your colleagues.
News? No.
Rumour? Possibly not. Fintan had a friend on board.
Worth checking? Why not?
If you don't like the question, don't answer.
FYI - I've been on a few go-arounds -- including a touch-and-go at Changi during a particularly fun bit of weather. Went to the alternate in the end and I ended up getting a ferry back from Batam, much quicker.
Calm down chaps.
Edited to note that the people who slag Fintan off don't appear to have any current types on their profiles. Are they actually pilots? Just a thought....
As SLF I felt Fintan's question was fair enough. If you don't like it, what's the point of logging on and slagging him/her off? I'm a regular on Pprune (largely on JB because I'm not a pilot) and one of the more depressing aspects of R&N is the constant slagging of us mere mortals, and -- worse IMHO -- your colleagues.
apparently about 1-2 meters off the ground a gust of wind blew the a/c off over the edge of the runway
Rumour? Possibly not. Fintan had a friend on board.
Worth checking? Why not?
If you don't like the question, don't answer.
FYI - I've been on a few go-arounds -- including a touch-and-go at Changi during a particularly fun bit of weather. Went to the alternate in the end and I ended up getting a ferry back from Batam, much quicker.
Calm down chaps.
Edited to note that the people who slag Fintan off don't appear to have any current types on their profiles. Are they actually pilots? Just a thought....
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Yes I'm a professional pilot of over 37 years standing thank you! Fintan is obviously young. He should not have identified the flight so precisely. It is a complete non-event, but the pilots should not be so easily fingered for doing the correct safe thing, no doubt perfectly competently. Maybe if you were in the industry, you might understand, but I don't think you should contribute here with nothing to add to this matter, your extensive passenger diversion experience notwithstanding. Back to JB where you belong!
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On the A320, the LAND annunciated on the PFD means that the systems have determined that they are autoland ready. If land is not displayed (usually by 400ft radio alt) then one cannot autoland the aircraft - you can still land the aircraft manually, but obviously require the visual references. Once LAND is annunciated, the only way to cancel that mode is to go-around.
The LAND annunciation does not have any relationship to the ability to perform a go-around. At touchdown LAND will be replaced by ROLLOUT.
On the A320, the LAND annunciated on the PFD means that the systems have determined that they are autoland ready. If land is not displayed (usually by 400ft radio alt) then one cannot autoland the aircraft - you can still land the aircraft manually, but obviously require the visual references. Once LAND is annunciated, the only way to cancel that mode is to go-around.
The LAND annunciation does not have any relationship to the ability to perform a go-around. At touchdown LAND will be replaced by ROLLOUT.
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NotSo - are you shy? Shove your experience on your profile.
The reason I mentioned my GAs was that I was trying to agree that a GA is not a story per se. But a humble pax may not realise that. A simple 'Hey, it's no problem mate. These things happen all the time' would have sufficed, surely?
Ever flown a 744 into Kai Tak? Saw a few of them GA and they were well hairy!
The reason I mentioned my GAs was that I was trying to agree that a GA is not a story per se. But a humble pax may not realise that. A simple 'Hey, it's no problem mate. These things happen all the time' would have sufficed, surely?
Ever flown a 744 into Kai Tak? Saw a few of them GA and they were well hairy!
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My goodness we have all got our panties in a twist this afternoon. Might I suggest that no-one here needs to prove their piloting experience, and should generally only be called upon to do so if offering technical opinions. No-one asks the pax here to scan and email their ticket stubs to prove their experience.
What people don't like is specific "what made flight no. XXX go round last night?" questions. Firstly, the likelihood is that no-one knows why, and secondly, the reason is probably pretty boring. If people have specific questions on flights, there are no fewer than three forums here for pax with questions, and it's quite understandable that people end up frustrated with people mis-posting, particularly if it's the same thing all the time (i.e. go-arounds and say, jump-seat visits). If this were a post about go-round procedure or something a bit less flight-number specific, people might not get so shirty.
What people don't like is specific "what made flight no. XXX go round last night?" questions. Firstly, the likelihood is that no-one knows why, and secondly, the reason is probably pretty boring. If people have specific questions on flights, there are no fewer than three forums here for pax with questions, and it's quite understandable that people end up frustrated with people mis-posting, particularly if it's the same thing all the time (i.e. go-arounds and say, jump-seat visits). If this were a post about go-round procedure or something a bit less flight-number specific, people might not get so shirty.
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The thing is, this forum is regularly subjected to the exact same type of question as posted by Fintan and the response is also very much the same as what you have been reading here.
As other posters have mentioned it is neither a rumour, nor is it news. There are specific fora for this type of question, and indeed much more suitable websites that does nothing but cater to spotters and wannabes.
FYI, I'm not a pilot but do have roughly 20 years of experience in the industry and enough hours riding jumpseats as a LM or Pax and countless hours exterminating beers with flyboyz to gain just a tad of an impression of what goes on when they shake the stick, so to speak. Doesn't by any stretch of the imagination make me an expert, but just enough to tell you and Fintan that a go-around is, well, a total non-event that occours probably 100s of times every day around the globe. Funnily enough, it's only GA's in the UK and ROI that ever make these pages. I wonder why .....
As other posters have mentioned it is neither a rumour, nor is it news. There are specific fora for this type of question, and indeed much more suitable websites that does nothing but cater to spotters and wannabes.
FYI, I'm not a pilot but do have roughly 20 years of experience in the industry and enough hours riding jumpseats as a LM or Pax and countless hours exterminating beers with flyboyz to gain just a tad of an impression of what goes on when they shake the stick, so to speak. Doesn't by any stretch of the imagination make me an expert, but just enough to tell you and Fintan that a go-around is, well, a total non-event that occours probably 100s of times every day around the globe. Funnily enough, it's only GA's in the UK and ROI that ever make these pages. I wonder why .....
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Fintan, some words of support for you.
I did not see anything that was "anti pilot" or indeed questioning of the pilots actions in your post.
It was a simple question asked by a chap seeking to further his aviation knowledge.
To the pilots: why must everything be construed as a viscious attack on your profession??
Most of us non-pilots here look up to and respect your profession. In my case, I always wanted to do what you do every day of your working lives. No-one is out to knock you, least of all on this thread.
Why has this forum decended into a nit picking and inhospitable place to be? a place where you watch every word you say for fear of unwarranted attack? Grow up people!
I did not see anything that was "anti pilot" or indeed questioning of the pilots actions in your post.
It was a simple question asked by a chap seeking to further his aviation knowledge.
To the pilots: why must everything be construed as a viscious attack on your profession??
Most of us non-pilots here look up to and respect your profession. In my case, I always wanted to do what you do every day of your working lives. No-one is out to knock you, least of all on this thread.
Why has this forum decended into a nit picking and inhospitable place to be? a place where you watch every word you say for fear of unwarranted attack? Grow up people!