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How is a professional pilot expected to respond to an emergency?
If I was asked that question (being SLF but fairly industry-savvy) my quick response would be calmly.
So why do some of you fly off the handle just because an obvious novice asks a question like that?
If I was asked that question (being SLF but fairly industry-savvy) my quick response would be calmly.
So why do some of you fly off the handle just because an obvious novice asks a question like that?
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Oh and I might add: when you read the subject line of a post, you have a choice whether to open it or not. If you don't like the tone of the subject, why don't you spare yourself the agony and anguish and just dont open it?
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PPrune is an excellent source of information for seasoned and improving pilots. It has evolved over the years into something more than a rumour mill. It is a common occurrence for posts to be made in the incorrect category.
As a new ppruner the most irritating thing about this site is the constant bitching from others attacking people who, in their opinion, post silly questions/comments. I am in total agreement there are some ridiculous postings and my reaction to them is to go to the top right hand corner of the screen to close the window.
C'mon guys give others a chance. PPrune moderators are there for a reason and it sometimes takes a while for the post to be moved into the appropriate box.
Worth remembering that whether they are FS users, spotters or just plane members of the public, these are the people who buys the air tickets that keep the companies we work for (or hope to work for) going.
hope this is taken in the way it was meant..standingby for the onslaught!
As a new ppruner the most irritating thing about this site is the constant bitching from others attacking people who, in their opinion, post silly questions/comments. I am in total agreement there are some ridiculous postings and my reaction to them is to go to the top right hand corner of the screen to close the window.
C'mon guys give others a chance. PPrune moderators are there for a reason and it sometimes takes a while for the post to be moved into the appropriate box.
Worth remembering that whether they are FS users, spotters or just plane members of the public, these are the people who buys the air tickets that keep the companies we work for (or hope to work for) going.
hope this is taken in the way it was meant..standingby for the onslaught!
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If this topic is in the wrong section, well , the moderators will move it accordingly and will further know where to post for future.
My question was not pointed at nor condeming actions of doing a GA or why it was carried out? It was just a question on could an a320 be able to preform a GA at such low altitude.
If it is senstive to mention the particular Airline , it is noted not to mentioned next time.
I well know that GA's occur and happens somewhere and at some point in the world everyday and the SOP's are carried out. Saftey first.
TOPBUNK thanks for the reply and not a butt kicking.
Anyway enough of all this complaining and thanks all.
My question was not pointed at nor condeming actions of doing a GA or why it was carried out? It was just a question on could an a320 be able to preform a GA at such low altitude.
If it is senstive to mention the particular Airline , it is noted not to mentioned next time.
I well know that GA's occur and happens somewhere and at some point in the world everyday and the SOP's are carried out. Saftey first.
TOPBUNK thanks for the reply and not a butt kicking.
Anyway enough of all this complaining and thanks all.
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TopBunk - Thanks for the info too.
I am only a humble SLF - and strangely enough after many years and many miles I have only ever experienced one GA. It was in I believe an AB320
dropping into Vienna one very very snowy night. It was a few years back and the FD door was open I had an aisle seat up front so watched us coming in through the snow.
There was no apparent reason for the last minute GA...it just happened. No explaition from the FD either.
IF I had known of PPrune back then I would have probably have posted something similar to Fintan out of curiosity in the hope that the wealth of experience possessed by the Piloting fraternity would enlighten a curious wingless person whether snow storms increase the risk of a GA......
The occasional naivity that comes through from us "un-enlightened" ones is usually treated with TopBunk's kind approach. If I wanted to get burnt to a frazzle I would try posting some comment in the MIL forum about how lucky the MIL chaps are to get all those free hours in their books before heading off to civy street. So please guys (piloty types with or without years of experience) keep up your NORMAL level of good will and kindness. Let the Mods Mod if they need to!
I am only a humble SLF - and strangely enough after many years and many miles I have only ever experienced one GA. It was in I believe an AB320
dropping into Vienna one very very snowy night. It was a few years back and the FD door was open I had an aisle seat up front so watched us coming in through the snow.There was no apparent reason for the last minute GA...it just happened. No explaition from the FD either.
IF I had known of PPrune back then I would have probably have posted something similar to Fintan out of curiosity in the hope that the wealth of experience possessed by the Piloting fraternity would enlighten a curious wingless person whether snow storms increase the risk of a GA......
The occasional naivity that comes through from us "un-enlightened" ones is usually treated with TopBunk's kind approach. If I wanted to get burnt to a frazzle I would try posting some comment in the MIL forum about how lucky the MIL chaps are to get all those free hours in their books before heading off to civy street. So please guys (piloty types with or without years of experience) keep up your NORMAL level of good will and kindness. Let the Mods Mod if they need to!
Fintan
I too would like to offer you support for your original post. When I joined this forum in 1999 it was a far friendlier place & one where pilots and others in the know would offer advice and answer questions from less knowledgeable folk.
Its a great shame that it has become full of jumped-up primadonnas who can't wait to jump down the throat of any non-pilot who dares to pose a question.
I'll happily answer your question as a non-pilot but one who knows as much about flying as any of the rude people who have posted here - and to pre-empt any idiot I am an experienced air transport consultant not an armchair MS flight simulator pilot.
Most aircraft can go-around even when on the ground - the aircraft is committed to stay on the ground once the spoliers deploy (and certainly if reverse is applied). So a GA from 1-2m whilst not desirable is certainly possible and safe.
There, that wasn't difficult was it?
I too would like to offer you support for your original post. When I joined this forum in 1999 it was a far friendlier place & one where pilots and others in the know would offer advice and answer questions from less knowledgeable folk.
Its a great shame that it has become full of jumped-up primadonnas who can't wait to jump down the throat of any non-pilot who dares to pose a question.
I'll happily answer your question as a non-pilot but one who knows as much about flying as any of the rude people who have posted here - and to pre-empt any idiot I am an experienced air transport consultant not an armchair MS flight simulator pilot.
Most aircraft can go-around even when on the ground - the aircraft is committed to stay on the ground once the spoliers deploy (and certainly if reverse is applied). So a GA from 1-2m whilst not desirable is certainly possible and safe.
There, that wasn't difficult was it?
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The original question was a perfectly reasonable one, given the passengerīs reported view of the GA. If the GA was indeed caused by a severe gust at very low level, just how close would the aircraft have been to hitting the ground on the GA with the nose (and therefore the main carriage) significantly yawed off the runway centre-line? This in most cases would be a crash. I note that of the many disparaging remarks that have already been made in reply to the original post, not many have actually addressed the potentially significant question posed.
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I don't wish to upset anyone but I am curious with regard to something that Notso Fantastic posted.
He writes
Why should it matter if they are "fingered" if they are doing exactly what they are trained to do? Who would they be trying to hide the GA from?
I have seen similar reactions to those above to other innocent GA queries. We (SLF regulars on PPRuNe) know they are a regular thing, we know they are not life threatening, we know that they are fully documented and briefed - but they are out of the ordinary and we are curious.
Some pilots seem to think that us SLF are criticising their actions - not so, we're just curious and where better to ask than here on PPRuNe, where we can ask REAL pilots?
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Fintan, sorry for the thread drift.
He writes
He should not have identified the flight so precisely. It is a complete non-event, but the pilots should not be so easily fingered for doing the correct safe thing, no doubt perfectly competently.
I have seen similar reactions to those above to other innocent GA queries. We (SLF regulars on PPRuNe) know they are a regular thing, we know they are not life threatening, we know that they are fully documented and briefed - but they are out of the ordinary and we are curious.
Some pilots seem to think that us SLF are criticising their actions - not so, we're just curious and where better to ask than here on PPRuNe, where we can ask REAL pilots?
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Fintan, sorry for the thread drift.
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'Clarity' - NOD has covered this really. All multi-engined aircraft have the performance to go-around from touch-down. For example, a g/a at the last minute on a low-vis automatic landing may well result in the wheels touching the runway. This is not a problem. To answer your specific 'q' about the 'crab angle' on the gear, aircraft are certificated to land with this crab angle in crosswinds. The 'nosewheel' is normally well off the ground and would not be expected to touch in a late g/a.
Despite all the raised blood pressures here, can I assure all SLF (and journos
) that there was almost certainly little hazard in performing this particular g/a and it would, no doubt, have been better than the alternative!
The only advice I wish to offer to 'fintan' (and to many others!) is to get in the habit of looking at the many forum options Danny and the team provide and try to throw the topic into the correct forum. Hopefully you will then get a measured response
Despite all the raised blood pressures here, can I assure all SLF (and journos
) that there was almost certainly little hazard in performing this particular g/a and it would, no doubt, have been better than the alternative!The only advice I wish to offer to 'fintan' (and to many others!) is to get in the habit of looking at the many forum options Danny and the team provide and try to throw the topic into the correct forum. Hopefully you will then get a measured response
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BOAC - this reminds me of a post in tech forum, in which someone wonders whether it would be worth attaching motors to the landing carriage to save tyres. My point is that someone pointed out that wheel spin-up triggers all sorts of slowing malarky, including autobrakes and spoilers.
Surely if a wheel touches the ground and spins, everything else deploys?
Or am I missing the point?
Surely if a wheel touches the ground and spins, everything else deploys?
Or am I missing the point?
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BOAC - what angle of yaw can you safely land an A320 which is tracking straight down the runway, with the nose off centre-line? Not more than a few degress I might suggest, and certainly nothing like a yaw of 30 or 40 degrees which could occur in a severe gust signficantly beyond the certificated cross-wind limit. As far as I am aware the main gear is not articulating.
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dtl - if a g/a has been initiated, the aeroplane (even an Airbus - sorry! ) 'knows' it is not landing.
citm - I have no knowledge of the AB limits/handling. The gear certainly is not 'articulating' - that is a rare thing. I would suggest that is what we Captians are expected to handle - ie if you are not happy, go-round. I think 30-40 deg drift and I would be away from there, personally!
) 'knows' it is not landing.citm - I have no knowledge of the AB limits/handling. The gear certainly is not 'articulating' - that is a rare thing. I would suggest that is what we Captians are expected to handle - ie if you are not happy, go-round. I think 30-40 deg drift and I would be away from there, personally!
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I don't think that anybody means to be a prima-donna nor be rude but if there was a post here about every go around made every day then the site may as well be shut down.
It is neither a rumour nor relevant news.
It is neither a rumour nor relevant news.
