CH-EU bilaws
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CH-EU bilaws
If you are Swiss citizen and wanting to apply for a position in France, here is the answer:
Not for non EU.
I believe that the bilaws are made only for people wanting to live and work in Switzerland, not for Swiss to work in EU.
I know a lot of French and other EU citizen working for Switzerland biggest company, so why this discrimination?
Anybody experienced the same story?
Not for non EU.
I believe that the bilaws are made only for people wanting to live and work in Switzerland, not for Swiss to work in EU.
I know a lot of French and other EU citizen working for Switzerland biggest company, so why this discrimination?
Anybody experienced the same story?
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Studi,
Perhaps I did not make my self clear, I wrote:
I have read the bylaws and for me Swiss people (which are not part of EU) have the right to work in EU, but the fact is that I received a written answer from a french company saying that the internal company's regulations forbid non EU citizen.
Do that means discrimination?
Voeni, are you working in France?
Perhaps I did not make my self clear, I wrote:
I believe that the bilaws are made only for people wanting to live and work in Switzerland, not for Swiss to work in EU.
Do that means discrimination?
Voeni, are you working in France?
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airmen,
since yesterday I know what you mean. got an answer from Lufthansa Cityline, they told me they're not recruiting any pilots currently (which I can understand).
BUT: They also wrote that you have to be EU-citizen to apply for a position within LH Cityline.
As a swiss, I'm sure I do have the same rights -> Discrimination !!
BTW: The British Embassy confirmed, that Swiss should be treated as EU citizens regarding work. So obviously the company's don't get it.
Would be very much interested what you can find out with your lawyer, airmen.
since yesterday I know what you mean. got an answer from Lufthansa Cityline, they told me they're not recruiting any pilots currently (which I can understand).
BUT: They also wrote that you have to be EU-citizen to apply for a position within LH Cityline.
As a swiss, I'm sure I do have the same rights -> Discrimination !!
BTW: The British Embassy confirmed, that Swiss should be treated as EU citizens regarding work. So obviously the company's don't get it.
Would be very much interested what you can find out with your lawyer, airmen.
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Lately, I got an answer from a german carrier which contained the following:
- You need to have a german ATPL to work for us...
They can find any reason not to hire you as they have a wide choice of pilots on the market now. Some of them are even ready to work for 2000.- Euro per month
just to get that first job!
As soon the airlines get better, it will change and I can tell you they will hire you! Even if you are not EU, don't have jet hours and don't speak the local language but only english... If they need pilots, the selection criteria will change...
Danou_71
- You need to have a german ATPL to work for us...
They can find any reason not to hire you as they have a wide choice of pilots on the market now. Some of them are even ready to work for 2000.- Euro per month
just to get that first job!As soon the airlines get better, it will change and I can tell you they will hire you! Even if you are not EU, don't have jet hours and don't speak the local language but only english... If they need pilots, the selection criteria will change...
Danou_71
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Immigration people told me it is clearly discrimination and the next one is that I should have a French ATPL, they even do not reckognise the Swiss ATPL/JAR one
I suspect Air Littoral crash to be partly the cause even if they where not friends...
What a wonderful world of peace!
I suspect Air Littoral crash to be partly the cause even if they where not friends...
What a wonderful world of peace!
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Airman,
I don't think that the ongoing litigation with the former SAirGroup weights that much in face of corporatism and protectionism.
Until proven differently, the SAirGroup overpaid all stakes it took in Air Liberte, AOM and Air Littoral and wasted a considerable amount of money in trying to merge them.
The Swiss were de facto controlling the three airlines and did also support the full operative costs. Here and there, you will find clues on how the Swiss tried to get a part of their money back (leasing rates, catering and ground handling costs, transfer to ZRH of French customers datas and so on), but it will probably never amount to a positive balance in favour of SAirGroup.
Looking to the past, I'm sure the Swiss got screwed (maybe willingly, if kickbacks were paid on their private accounts, but up to now nobody brought any evidence to light) and I believe that their financial commitment to the three French airlines postponed their bankruptcy by a couple of years.
I'm pretty sure that the French authorities are well aware that thanks to the SAirGroup's funds and mistakes, first they could avoid subsidies to thoses dying airlines and second they found a perfect scapegoat once they were dead. But I do not believe they would use it to bare a Swiss pilot from getting a job in France.
Look how former Swissair and former Crossair pilots are fighting eachother within Swiss Airlines to keep as much as possible of their respective fellows flying. In France too, everybody is fighting to keep a job. No matter what excuse, but if you do not belong to the stronger group, you lose. End of the story.
I don't think that the ongoing litigation with the former SAirGroup weights that much in face of corporatism and protectionism.
Until proven differently, the SAirGroup overpaid all stakes it took in Air Liberte, AOM and Air Littoral and wasted a considerable amount of money in trying to merge them.
The Swiss were de facto controlling the three airlines and did also support the full operative costs. Here and there, you will find clues on how the Swiss tried to get a part of their money back (leasing rates, catering and ground handling costs, transfer to ZRH of French customers datas and so on), but it will probably never amount to a positive balance in favour of SAirGroup.
Looking to the past, I'm sure the Swiss got screwed (maybe willingly, if kickbacks were paid on their private accounts, but up to now nobody brought any evidence to light) and I believe that their financial commitment to the three French airlines postponed their bankruptcy by a couple of years.
I'm pretty sure that the French authorities are well aware that thanks to the SAirGroup's funds and mistakes, first they could avoid subsidies to thoses dying airlines and second they found a perfect scapegoat once they were dead. But I do not believe they would use it to bare a Swiss pilot from getting a job in France.
Look how former Swissair and former Crossair pilots are fighting eachother within Swiss Airlines to keep as much as possible of their respective fellows flying. In France too, everybody is fighting to keep a job. No matter what excuse, but if you do not belong to the stronger group, you lose. End of the story.
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Ettore,
I was working in the big group of Switzerland, and a few of my collegues where French among others, I just want it reverse now especially within the existing bilaws, but it seems that they are made for EU more than for Swiss people...
By the way where you in that big group too, I may know you!
I was working in the big group of Switzerland, and a few of my collegues where French among others, I just want it reverse now especially within the existing bilaws, but it seems that they are made for EU more than for Swiss people...
By the way where you in that big group too, I may know you!
