alcohol smell and smoking in the cockpit
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if its a serious post
then of course you just say You stink of booze could you explain why? if not , why don't you take the opportunity of a sudden stomach complaint and go home/hotel and sleep it off.If you don't like the person call the company if you hate the industry call the press.oh and post it on here!
If its a wind up then
Captain as you're pissed bagsy the TO and Landing
then of course you just say You stink of booze could you explain why? if not , why don't you take the opportunity of a sudden stomach complaint and go home/hotel and sleep it off.If you don't like the person call the company if you hate the industry call the press.oh and post it on here!
If its a wind up then
Captain as you're pissed bagsy the TO and Landing
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alcohol smell and smoking in the cockpit
Go-around & flaps 15.... IF there is any truth in your posting
(and I am firmly in the cynics' camp), please note the following and never forget it:
YOU ARE PAID TO DO A JOB OF WORK. YOU HAVE CLEAR RESPONSIBILITIES, THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THESE IS TO ENSURE THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF FLIGHT SAFETY. IF YOU ARE "KEEPING YOUR HEAD DOWN" YOU ARE FAILING IN THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR WHICH YOU ARE EXPRESSLY PAID AND WHICH YOU ARE CONTRACTED TO DISCHARGE. IF YOU CAN'T FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS ALLEGED SITUATION THEN MOL'S TEAM HAVE APPOINTED A NO-HOPER. bm
(and I am firmly in the cynics' camp), please note the following and never forget it:
YOU ARE PAID TO DO A JOB OF WORK. YOU HAVE CLEAR RESPONSIBILITIES, THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THESE IS TO ENSURE THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF FLIGHT SAFETY. IF YOU ARE "KEEPING YOUR HEAD DOWN" YOU ARE FAILING IN THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR WHICH YOU ARE EXPRESSLY PAID AND WHICH YOU ARE CONTRACTED TO DISCHARGE. IF YOU CAN'T FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS ALLEGED SITUATION THEN MOL'S TEAM HAVE APPOINTED A NO-HOPER. bm
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My guess is that G/A Flaps 15 is one and the same as Boeing NG Driver, as Heliport has intimated. Easy for a Moderator to check both users IP's which are logged. I'd also venture a bit further and suggest that in all probability it's none other than FMC apprentice and his other chum too!
Assuming this theory were correct, what would that suggest?
One very malicious and dangerous individual with a huge axe to grind. IMHO, this idiot deserves a life ban from Prune at the very least. Better still, I'd like to see his head (his identity) delivered on a platter to MOL and let the FR justice machine sort him out.
Such posts in the current climate are reckless and highly damaging to the whole aviation business and every other professional crew member worldwide.
Assuming this theory were correct, what would that suggest?
One very malicious and dangerous individual with a huge axe to grind. IMHO, this idiot deserves a life ban from Prune at the very least. Better still, I'd like to see his head (his identity) delivered on a platter to MOL and let the FR justice machine sort him out.
Such posts in the current climate are reckless and highly damaging to the whole aviation business and every other professional crew member worldwide.
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Jack
I entirely agree with your sentiments (and personally think he/they deserve what he/they get if they really do work for FR) but these are anoymous forums. Pprune does not reveal identities behind usernames.
Malicious and dangerous?
Agreed, but tricks like this only work if people are daft enough to fall for them. There's a very prominent warning at the entrance to the forums pointing out in big red writing that posts may not be as genuine as they appear to be.
Look again at the previous thread here
167 posts and 23,263 hits?? Unbelievable!!
I repeat, tricks like this only work if people are daft enough to fall for them. Well, a lot of people did. A few people made sensible posts, but they were largely ignored and, understandably, gave up.
I entirely agree with your sentiments (and personally think he/they deserve what he/they get if they really do work for FR) but these are anoymous forums. Pprune does not reveal identities behind usernames.
Malicious and dangerous?
Agreed, but tricks like this only work if people are daft enough to fall for them. There's a very prominent warning at the entrance to the forums pointing out in big red writing that posts may not be as genuine as they appear to be.
Look again at the previous thread here
167 posts and 23,263 hits?? Unbelievable!!
I repeat, tricks like this only work if people are daft enough to fall for them. Well, a lot of people did. A few people made sensible posts, but they were largely ignored and, understandably, gave up.
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I agree, but was he/they any more irresponsible than some of the pilots on the earlier troll thread who made smoking in the cockpit out to be a flight safety issue rather than anti-social behaviour? The passengers who posted can't be expected to know any better but the pilots have got no excuse.
The change in rules have come about because we know more about the health risks of passive smoking and there's been a change in attitude to smoking in the workplace not because there's any evidence that it's a danger to flight safety. People smoked in the cockpit for years and there's no evidence it ever caused an accident. Smoking has been banned for social reasons and as a non-smoker I'm pleased but it's not a flight safety issue.
I agree, but was he/they any more irresponsible than some of the pilots on the earlier troll thread who made smoking in the cockpit out to be a flight safety issue rather than anti-social behaviour? The passengers who posted can't be expected to know any better but the pilots have got no excuse.
The change in rules have come about because we know more about the health risks of passive smoking and there's been a change in attitude to smoking in the workplace not because there's any evidence that it's a danger to flight safety. People smoked in the cockpit for years and there's no evidence it ever caused an accident. Smoking has been banned for social reasons and as a non-smoker I'm pleased but it's not a flight safety issue.
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I am a bit non plussed here why a new fresh faced F/O would not know what to do. The element of if in doubt Speak up is covered in every HP&L exam from PPL to ATPL.
I accept commercial pressure and not making too many friends. The fear of being stuck as a 2 ring F/O for years or being pushed out of the company but in all realit if you flew with a drunk Cpt you would got no respect from your bosses or colleagues!
I guess a Journo does not need to pass HP&L!
I accept commercial pressure and not making too many friends. The fear of being stuck as a 2 ring F/O for years or being pushed out of the company but in all realit if you flew with a drunk Cpt you would got no respect from your bosses or colleagues!
I guess a Journo does not need to pass HP&L!
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SMOKING ON FLIGHT DECK
WHY SHOULD ANYONE ON THE FLIGHT DECK BE SMOKING WHEN HE (OR SHE) WOULD REPORT AND POSSIBLY HAVE ARRESTED, ANY WALK-ON FREIGHT DOWN THE BACK WHO DARED TO LIGHT UP IN THE CABIN OR BOGS???!!!
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Found this thread interesting as I have just passed interview for Ryan TRSS F/O scheme and I am STILL thrilled at the potential chance to join Ryan despite the scaremongering by Go around Flaps 15 AKA boeing driver aka FMS apprentice and no doubt others.
On a serious note - drunk on duty - pi
d up captains?, I just do not believe they would allow their extremely hard fought reputation to be flagrantly abused and potentially jeopardised in this way.
there was talk in our group interview about the contingency to deal with a hull loss should, (God forbid), it ever happen and how it would effect the business.
Whilst, obviously, there is no defined answer to that, if something like this was to happen due to Ryan flight deck crew being pi d, do you think this scenario could have a positive impact, increase Ryans sales or public perception?.
I just cannot be convinced somebody as astute as MOL who, rightly or wrongly in your opinion, has put so much of his life, energy and acumen into making Ryan the phenomenon it is would allow all that to be threatened by such negligence from any line pilot, even less likely, allow a culture to develop, ala BA
My guess is they would be on a 'free' one way ticket out of Ryan.
I would not fly with a drunk colleague even if it meant my job and a huge debt, (which I don't think it would), rather that than have 'inexperienced spinless F/O who failed to act" along with the blood of 189 pax on my epitaph.
On a lighter note (no pun intended) - smoking - ....... I don't know if it happens, what the law or company regs are. I hope it doesn't, but if it is allowed then you just get on with it and don't whinge, you certainly don't come on a public site and bite the hand that feeds. I was taught that ' you have to lick ar$e before you can kick it', the captains earned his stripes, so you simply keep your head down, keep your nose clean.... and.... (tongue in cheek, from here on in)
passively smoke the low cost way?.
You accept your captains generous offer of free smoke on all flights ... and... they also pay all the government taxes and charges!!
you then use the money you've saved to buy some soap, wash your clothes and hair a few times,
suddenly you awake one day, 3 years later, and you find yourself in the privilaged left seat as a captain of STILL the largest low cost carrier in Europe... and...
the largest scheduled carrier in the UK??
(Yes.. Mr Eddington, you can beg to differ, but those are Ryans plans for future shape and size),
(I hear what you say Mr. Webster, that whilst your in charge of the competition..... it certainly won't be Easy)
all of a sudden,
"hey presto....."
the fags have completely disappeared and every sector you fly is now non-smoking.......
magic?
No.... common sense
On a serious note - drunk on duty - pi
d up captains?, I just do not believe they would allow their extremely hard fought reputation to be flagrantly abused and potentially jeopardised in this way. there was talk in our group interview about the contingency to deal with a hull loss should, (God forbid), it ever happen and how it would effect the business.
Whilst, obviously, there is no defined answer to that, if something like this was to happen due to Ryan flight deck crew being pi
d, do you think this scenario could have a positive impact, increase Ryans sales or public perception?. I just cannot be convinced somebody as astute as MOL who, rightly or wrongly in your opinion, has put so much of his life, energy and acumen into making Ryan the phenomenon it is would allow all that to be threatened by such negligence from any line pilot, even less likely, allow a culture to develop, ala BA
My guess is they would be on a 'free' one way ticket out of Ryan.
I would not fly with a drunk colleague even if it meant my job and a huge debt, (which I don't think it would), rather that than have 'inexperienced spinless F/O who failed to act" along with the blood of 189 pax on my epitaph.
On a lighter note (no pun intended) - smoking - ....... I don't know if it happens, what the law or company regs are. I hope it doesn't, but if it is allowed then you just get on with it and don't whinge, you certainly don't come on a public site and bite the hand that feeds. I was taught that ' you have to lick ar$e before you can kick it', the captains earned his stripes, so you simply keep your head down, keep your nose clean.... and.... (tongue in cheek, from here on in)
passively smoke the low cost way?.
You accept your captains generous offer of free smoke on all flights ... and... they also pay all the government taxes and charges!!
you then use the money you've saved to buy some soap, wash your clothes and hair a few times,
suddenly you awake one day, 3 years later, and you find yourself in the privilaged left seat as a captain of STILL the largest low cost carrier in Europe... and...
the largest scheduled carrier in the UK??
(Yes.. Mr Eddington, you can beg to differ, but those are Ryans plans for future shape and size),
(I hear what you say Mr. Webster, that whilst your in charge of the competition..... it certainly won't be Easy)
all of a sudden,
"hey presto....."
the fags have completely disappeared and every sector you fly is now non-smoking.......
magic?
No.... common sense
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I'm not a smoker myself, but I have no objection to smoking in the cockpit, unless of course it is from electical equipment.
It's a demanding habit, and smokers who are denied this are like basket cases after a few hours. I've seen this in my crews. They become useless.
I'd rather have a real crew with me.
It's a demanding habit, and smokers who are denied this are like basket cases after a few hours. I've seen this in my crews. They become useless.
I'd rather have a real crew with me.
