Concorde Fleet Rebellion
Controversial, moi?
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Your post is matched in its inaccuracy only by your arrogance in posting it.
You are perpetuating myths that no amount of denial ever seems to stop.
(Edited to correct the addressee)
Your post is matched in its inaccuracy only by your arrogance in posting it.
You are perpetuating myths that no amount of denial ever seems to stop.
(Edited to correct the addressee)
Last edited by M.Mouse; 27th Aug 2003 at 20:09.
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Guys, I got motion sickness trying to keep up with the threads on this subject. My question is, how many of us would pay money to set up a deck chair on a remote coastal lookout to watch Concorde do her thing, in her time, at her speed. I donno what the laws of physics say about exercising a lady near to ground/sea level in such a manner but jeez isn't it a nice thought.....................
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Anthony Carn,
"Final post/visit from me on this thread. I've got better things to do than waste my breath."
Cheers! Keep it up for a year or two please.
411A has been on my ignore list for 2 years now. Each posting of this Guvnor wannabee has appeared as "This person is on your Ignore List click here to view the post". Couldn't recommend it more.....
One final point, the reason for such blatant extraction of the final flying days of the pointy bird has nothing to do with mistrust of the line community. It is merely management blatantly monopolising the opportunity to enhance their egos with the shoulder rubbing with V.I.P's and the numerous front page shots on provincial papers. Captain Bannister et al just couldn't resist.
"Final post/visit from me on this thread. I've got better things to do than waste my breath."
Cheers! Keep it up for a year or two please.
411A has been on my ignore list for 2 years now. Each posting of this Guvnor wannabee has appeared as "This person is on your Ignore List click here to view the post". Couldn't recommend it more.....
One final point, the reason for such blatant extraction of the final flying days of the pointy bird has nothing to do with mistrust of the line community. It is merely management blatantly monopolising the opportunity to enhance their egos with the shoulder rubbing with V.I.P's and the numerous front page shots on provincial papers. Captain Bannister et al just couldn't resist.
I was reminded by a colleague the other day of Fred Laker's involvement in Concorde. In the mid-1970s the BA (BOAC) management, despite intense government pressure, was refusing to have anything to do with operating Concorde and could only see it as a financial drain on the company.
Fred made it very publicly known that he was prepared to operate Concorde and also claimed that he could make a profit with it.
This was too hideous a prospect for the BA management to stomach so they went back to the negotiating table and quickly reached a deal with the government.
From Fred's point of view he got a lot of free publicity for he was then able to claim in the national press that it was he who had saved the Concorde!
Fred made it very publicly known that he was prepared to operate Concorde and also claimed that he could make a profit with it.
This was too hideous a prospect for the BA management to stomach so they went back to the negotiating table and quickly reached a deal with the government.
From Fred's point of view he got a lot of free publicity for he was then able to claim in the national press that it was he who had saved the Concorde!
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It's insulting to even suggest that they would do something stupid with such a revered , historically important piece of aviation.
What do they expect them to do ?!! - 'buzz' their wives ' tribute party' for 400 in Ascot !
They should all have a fair chance , whether they have flown it for 2 years or 25 years.
They are all part of the history of this amazing airliner ,and this is no time for the BA precious brigade to puff up their chests and declare themselves legends to the machine.
Then again, the 1hr long discovery documentary would give you the impression that there is only 1 concorde pilot in the world
What do they expect them to do ?!! - 'buzz' their wives ' tribute party' for 400 in Ascot !
They should all have a fair chance , whether they have flown it for 2 years or 25 years.
They are all part of the history of this amazing airliner ,and this is no time for the BA precious brigade to puff up their chests and declare themselves legends to the machine.
Then again, the 1hr long discovery documentary would give you the impression that there is only 1 concorde pilot in the world
What are BA expected to do for the FE's on the Concorde fleet? Are they being offered redundancy packages?
Sadly it's a fact of life that when your company no longer requires your services, they let you go. As BA do not operate any other aircraft type that requires a FE, they cannot offer 'similar' employment anywhere else.
Sadly it's a fact of life that when your company no longer requires your services, they let you go. As BA do not operate any other aircraft type that requires a FE, they cannot offer 'similar' employment anywhere else.
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Executive lerks and perks!! Wouldn't be the first - won't be the last.
But a Mach 1 beat up should be part of the deal. Then lay the supersonic noise footprint over as many people as possible (to let the gentiles know what they're going to be missing).
All in the best traditions of a finis flight.
Not really in the spirit of good airmanship - but impressive nonetheless.
Being management, actually losing the job as a result is only a slim possibility!
C'mon guys, let's see it!!
But a Mach 1 beat up should be part of the deal. Then lay the supersonic noise footprint over as many people as possible (to let the gentiles know what they're going to be missing).
All in the best traditions of a finis flight.
Not really in the spirit of good airmanship - but impressive nonetheless.
Being management, actually losing the job as a result is only a slim possibility!
C'mon guys, let's see it!!
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At the end of the Trident era I bid for, and was awarded, a trip to DUN. No idea where it was, but the flight time from LHR was 15 mins, and returning by taxi! Closer inspection revealed that DUN was Dunsfold!
Alas I had the trip taken off me by a manager. The reason given by his sidekick... "Rather a short runway".........."But Aberdeen and Belfast 17 are shorter and I never have those taken away from me!"...."Ah yes, but there are no Vasis at Dunsfold and it is a visual approach"...
I might have had more respect for him if the reason given had been... "For Jolly read Manager".
At least I kept the credit for the trip and avoided the M25 in a taxi!
PS
The last time I flew over Dunsdold it was still there.... Can anyone confirm that is still the case?
Alas I had the trip taken off me by a manager. The reason given by his sidekick... "Rather a short runway".........."But Aberdeen and Belfast 17 are shorter and I never have those taken away from me!"...."Ah yes, but there are no Vasis at Dunsfold and it is a visual approach"...
I might have had more respect for him if the reason given had been... "For Jolly read Manager".
At least I kept the credit for the trip and avoided the M25 in a taxi!
PS
The last time I flew over Dunsdold it was still there.... Can anyone confirm that is still the case?
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Dunsfold is indeed still there.... I live about 2 minutes from it 
It has a function now as the Top Gear test track....... although the runway is still in extremely good condition. There are rumours that it will return as a fully functioning airfield sometime in the not too distant future, but I'm not sure if thats just wishful thinking 
If you fly over it you can see the runway numbers are sometimes there and sometimes the cross is painted on the threshold in their place
It has a function now as the Top Gear test track....... although the runway is still in extremely good condition. There are rumours that it will return as a fully functioning airfield sometime in the not too distant future, but I'm not sure if thats just wishful thinking If you fly over it you can see the runway numbers are sometimes there and sometimes the cross is painted on the threshold in their place
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Woodpecker: Your story give us the comfort that the management of our largest airline are consistent.
No matter whether they are owned by public or private purse. No matter which cat is purring at the top table - the management will always do the wrong thing.
No matter whether they are owned by public or private purse. No matter which cat is purring at the top table - the management will always do the wrong thing.
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Dunsfold is there and although it doesn't have any official recognition to my knowledge, the runway is very much in use. It is currently operating unlicensed and by invitation only - I was lucky enough to get to fly there myself on 15th August. The runway is indeed marked with a few large 'X's, but is also fully painted up with numbers, edge markings and so on, and is in truly excellent condition. Unfortunately a large number of pilots are using Dunsfold as a convenient turning point, and as a result you need to keep a very good lookout when in the "circuit" - I had a helicopter transit the airfield at about 800 feet just as I was climbing through 100 feet after takeoff. The airfield is also used for model aircraft flying, so don't just buzz in there without clearing it first.
Cheers,
MD.
Cheers,
MD.
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Land ASAP,
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Please, Please confirm this is not a wind-up. If it is not, then how do I configure Pprune to include 411A, and others, in my ignore list
411A has been on my ignore list for 2 years now. Each posting of this Guvnor wannabee has appeared as "This person is on your Ignore List click here to view the post". Couldn't recommend it more.....
Please, Please confirm this is not a wind-up. If it is not, then how do I configure Pprune to include 411A, and others, in my ignore list
Woodpecker,
It's not a windup. I didn't know about it either. Click on 'user cp' near the top of the page and then 'Edit Ignore List'.
It works as advertised - any posts that you choose to ignore are labelled as such in the forum window. Of course, you still see the replies to the ignored postings and so there is a temptation to view the offending posting anyway
It's not a windup. I didn't know about it either. Click on 'user cp' near the top of the page and then 'Edit Ignore List'.
It works as advertised - any posts that you choose to ignore are labelled as such in the forum window. Of course, you still see the replies to the ignored postings and so there is a temptation to view the offending posting anyway
