UK plan to launch rival to EU sat-nav system.

[Gertrude the Wombat]

Originally Posted by Skipname

Last month in UK I paid 397£ and my employer payed 524£ for national insurance.

So what? - that's got nothing to do with your contribution to the NHS.

(History lesson: Once Upon A Time NI was supposed to be how you paid for the entire welfare state - of which I think the largest chunk was the old age pension? - but it has long since lost the hypothecation and been subsumed into general taxation. It's now just a component of income tax by another name.)

[Sallyann1234]

"The UK Commons Select Committee for Science and Technology yesterday hauled government bigwigs in to explain themselves in light of the latest round of Galileo handbag-swinging."

Galileo, here we go again. My my, the Brits are gonna miss EU

[tescoapp]

Quiet surprised they expect to get any of the Galileo stuff.

Also no mention that the security stuff requires a license to export to another country so per say the next manufacturer is going to have to re-invent the wheel.

[Sallyann1234]

You're right that they don't seem bothered about that at all.
Perhaps you'd better tell them?

[Windy Militant]

Maybe the solution is going to be a bit more organic

BBC Radio 4 Question time Space Oddessy

I wonder what the panels solution for the Galileo problem will be!

[ORAC]

Sunday Telegraph reporting Galileo replacement system has been given the government go ahead, signed off by both PM and Chancellor. First £100m in funding for contracts has already been signed off by the treasury.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...tem-rival-eus/

[Father Dick Byrne]

Only to be cancelled in short order when the horrors of a no-deal Brexit reveal themselves and the cash starts to run out. The programme will never happen. It’s anyone’s guess what access the UK might have to high resolution position data.

[Nemrytter]

As someone who works on the Galileo programme, the UK has absolutely no chance of coming up with its own version any time soon - no cash and not enough expertise. Political posturing and nothing else.

[Sallyann1234]

Another £100m down the Brexit drain. Isn't it costing enough already?

The programme will never happen. It’s anyone’s guess what access the UK might have to high resolution position data.

I can answer that right now. It will simply be decided that we can manage without it.

[rogerg]

Salyann, you seem to have a very good crystal ball, like a lot of other people with opposite views.

[tescoapp]

For on the ground stuff SBAS is already getting rolled out. DGPS is already in use and working well for those outside SBAS coverage.

My prediction is neither system will see the light of day.

[Sallyann1234]

Originally Posted by tescoapp

My prediction is neither system will see the light of day.

Galileo has seen the light of many days. Its teething troubles have not stopped it providing a reliable service.

[Pontius Navigator]

Would we not be better buying into an American system? Not withstanding ups and downs, knee jerk reactions, etc we have had a close real special relationship through nuclear deterrence for over 5 decades, a relationship no other State has been close to.

[flash8]

Not sure why we need our own though - what with GPS, GLONASS and Galileo i would have thought that there was plenty commercially available for anyone.

Nor me, heck I use a GPS as an end-user, supposed to have GPS+GLONASS for improved accuracy, turn off GLONASS (Russian) whether in Moscow, half-way across Uzbekistan or somewhere else in SE Asia to see the difference and it still works just as accurately...

I'm not sure coverage is extended or accuracy (around 5 metres) whether I had one, both switched on, everything seemed exactly the same....

Now Satphone coverage (Voice+Data) are a different matter.... I can well understand the rationale behind adding a few sats for national Security.

[tescoapp]

There is more than enough, but its political control over the services which is the major pissing match.

The high accuracy stuff has been leap frogged for commercial users there is now a multitude of services which can be used free with a suitable receiver.

The main military user who was also a high contributor is now banned from using the service.

Budget and income predictions are now just fantasy land for Galileo. It just going to turn into a colossally expensive transport taxing system and the only way they can make it work is by making it law all cars for the Eu market are fitted with it. A colossal percentage of that market is now evaporating.

We shall see if Galileo survives. If it does it will only be for political reasons.

[Nemrytter]

tescoapp, as expected from someone who didn't even know that Galileo has already seen "the light of day" your post is nonsense. I find it very interesting that a certain type of person seems to demonstrate a perfect inverse correlation between amount of knowledge about a given subject and willingness to express an opinion on that subject. It's pretty pathetic, tbh.

[Pontius Navigator]

Originally Posted by Nemrytter

tescoapp, as expected from someone who didn't even know that Galileo has already seen "the light of day" your post is nonsense. I find it very interesting that a certain type of person seems to demonstrate a perfect inverse correlation between amount of knowledge about a given subject and willingness to express an opinion on that subject. It's pretty pathetic, tbh.

10% ball, 90% man. What is your point other than deriding Tescos?

[Nemrytter]

That was my point, to be honest. I don't suffer fools gladly. If he cares to educate himself a bit (I'm sure there's a ladybird book that can help) then I'd be happy to have a proper discussion, however.

[Sallyann1234]

Originally Posted by tescoapp

The main military user who was also a high contributor is now banned from using the service.
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Have you told the French military yet? Somehow I don't think they are going to be pleased.

[tescoapp]

It hasn't seen light of day. There is a cobbled together low Res service which gives no difference service to the other gps services. Incomplete sat coverage.

More than half the sats are running with degraded systems. ie no redundancy of core systems.

The core system for the advanced Res is having to be manually run from the ground to prevent further failures.

the French are now the only mil user of any note, unless of course they start selling munitions to 3rd parties.
Light of day sort of ie if you have a receiver you can pick something up.

Fit for use and can deliver the unique service that it's meant to...... It's still in twilight zone never mind dawn and well away from day light.