Orion P-3 to the Antarctic
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Saw an interesting report on the news last night while listlessly channel hopping after 'Bomber Crew'. Repeated on the BBC website; if we have to crash-land on the ice. Looks fascinating (made me wish I had applied to the 'Antarctic Survey' when I had the chance!), can guess the flying steady at 300m in strong winds and turbulence must 'entertaining'.
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Yet another Global Warming panic attack by the paranoid BBC journo's with little real copy to transmit. Sunspot activity at its highest, heat output from Sun high, it's hardly surprising some ice is melting. Carbon Dioxide - it's what trees and all plants need to survive, it isn't a poison! More CO2, more leaves! In February 1963 I drove down the middle of the River Thames at Old Windsor in my Mini Cooper 'S' to Runnymeade and back and we held a party by the "Bells of Ouzeley" on the ice and had a barbecue for 350 people. That year the newspapers trumpeted the oncoming 'Ice Age'.
The Sun is not a constant source of heat - Global Warming is a wonderful tool for the Politicians to control their populations. Cold War gone? Bring on Militant Muslims and Global Warming.
What will happen when sea levels don't rise and the weather doesn't burn us to a crisp?
Grapes grew and wine was made in Cumberland in the 1200's. Global Warming? Greenland was green in Leif Ericson's time. Don't be blinded by GreenPeace and Friends of the Earth - they want money to pay their professional staff who do not work for pennies.
Remember King Canute did not sit on his throne daring the tide not to rise, he was proving to his people that despite his apparent Deity he Couldn't stop the tide from wetting him!
Rant over.
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The Sun is not a constant source of heat - Global Warming is a wonderful tool for the Politicians to control their populations. Cold War gone? Bring on Militant Muslims and Global Warming.
What will happen when sea levels don't rise and the weather doesn't burn us to a crisp?
Grapes grew and wine was made in Cumberland in the 1200's. Global Warming? Greenland was green in Leif Ericson's time. Don't be blinded by GreenPeace and Friends of the Earth - they want money to pay their professional staff who do not work for pennies.
Remember King Canute did not sit on his throne daring the tide not to rise, he was proving to his people that despite his apparent Deity he Couldn't stop the tide from wetting him!
Rant over.
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Not sure why a totally innocent posting about the Chillean P-3 piece on BBC news last night promted this tirade.
However I shall sleep better tonight knowing that aviate1138 fully understands the workings of the global climate, and that despite the clear evidence of warming across our continent, and the wider world, there is clearly nothing to worry about, since everything can be blamed on sunspots!
I shall equally look forward to the day, many years hence I hope, when I can look down from above and say "I told you so" when Florida has disappeared from the map because everyone, including Dubya, followed this learned advice and did b****r all about global warming, and sea levels continued to rise, because the ice sheets melted.
You can bury your head in the sand as far as you wish, but something is happening, and it's going to take brighter people than us to sort it out, before it's too late....
Perhaps this needs moving to the JB forum???
However I shall sleep better tonight knowing that aviate1138 fully understands the workings of the global climate, and that despite the clear evidence of warming across our continent, and the wider world, there is clearly nothing to worry about, since everything can be blamed on sunspots!
I shall equally look forward to the day, many years hence I hope, when I can look down from above and say "I told you so" when Florida has disappeared from the map because everyone, including Dubya, followed this learned advice and did b****r all about global warming, and sea levels continued to rise, because the ice sheets melted.
You can bury your head in the sand as far as you wish, but something is happening, and it's going to take brighter people than us to sort it out, before it's too late....
Perhaps this needs moving to the JB forum???
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Deary me aviate1138, what touched your nerve? Was the article really that much of a global warning panic attack? Struck me as quite a restrained account of an unusal flight, hence my posting on this site.
As for 'global warming', ATNotts brilliant tongue in cheek reply is almost sufficient. However, will add a few points as I am a scientist working in a field (hydrology) where climate change is starting to make an impact on how we view, and calculate, the world. The trouble is that there is so much ill informed speculation that I can quite understand the degree of frustration expressed by aviate1138. In 1963 I had the wisdom to remain in the womb until the worse of the ice was over so cannot comment upon the newspapers, but the ill informed 'new ice age' headlines merely underlines that nonsense from the media is nothing new. In the same way, I do find myself agreeing with the tone of the comment concerning GreenPeace and Friends of the Earth who, by a misplaced hysteria that sometimes feels not grounded in hard science, I feel do real harm to the cause of responsible care for the environment.
Our climate is changing. As aviate1138 points out this is not news, and we know it has always been changing. What is of interest, and maybe concern, is how rapidly it is changing at the moment. It would be poor science not to ask why this is happening, and things like flights to the Antarctic are important to collect hard data (not anecdote) on the change. If the answer is that this is natures' way, then fine. On the other hand, we have so much past evidence of how mankind can be destructive that it might be prudent to view what we are doing. And that may involve making some hard decisions. There is a precedent for this, in that it did not take us long after the start of the industrial revolution to kill our rivers. At the time aviate1138 was driving the Mini Cooper 'S' on the Thames, fishing on that river was a relatively unproductive sport. It took years of legislation to control the discharges, years of encouraging people who were saying that requiring discharge control was a restraint of free trade (or whatever), years of allowing nature to clean up our mess, before we now have our rivers in a condition to be proud of. Not convinced, then look at the headlines when a few fish get killed by mistake. Without realising it we are proud of how clean our rivers are now. I do not know about the effect of carbon dioxide, it is not my field and I suspect that applies to anybody who reads this forum. However, intuitively I know that in any aspect of life too much waste tends to bugger up the immediate environment (I am sure there is a joke worthy of Jet Blast in that statement!). Moderation in all things seems a good idea, something that the Americans, in their approach to Kyoto, do not seem to understand!
Maybe this thread should go to Jet Blast, although that would be sad as the subject of climate change was not my intention in starting this thread. Instead, it might be worth reflecting on the challenge of flying to the Antarctic. Clearly a dangerous and difficult business, as this thread makes clear.
As for 'global warming', ATNotts brilliant tongue in cheek reply is almost sufficient. However, will add a few points as I am a scientist working in a field (hydrology) where climate change is starting to make an impact on how we view, and calculate, the world. The trouble is that there is so much ill informed speculation that I can quite understand the degree of frustration expressed by aviate1138. In 1963 I had the wisdom to remain in the womb until the worse of the ice was over so cannot comment upon the newspapers, but the ill informed 'new ice age' headlines merely underlines that nonsense from the media is nothing new. In the same way, I do find myself agreeing with the tone of the comment concerning GreenPeace and Friends of the Earth who, by a misplaced hysteria that sometimes feels not grounded in hard science, I feel do real harm to the cause of responsible care for the environment.
Our climate is changing. As aviate1138 points out this is not news, and we know it has always been changing. What is of interest, and maybe concern, is how rapidly it is changing at the moment. It would be poor science not to ask why this is happening, and things like flights to the Antarctic are important to collect hard data (not anecdote) on the change. If the answer is that this is natures' way, then fine. On the other hand, we have so much past evidence of how mankind can be destructive that it might be prudent to view what we are doing. And that may involve making some hard decisions. There is a precedent for this, in that it did not take us long after the start of the industrial revolution to kill our rivers. At the time aviate1138 was driving the Mini Cooper 'S' on the Thames, fishing on that river was a relatively unproductive sport. It took years of legislation to control the discharges, years of encouraging people who were saying that requiring discharge control was a restraint of free trade (or whatever), years of allowing nature to clean up our mess, before we now have our rivers in a condition to be proud of. Not convinced, then look at the headlines when a few fish get killed by mistake. Without realising it we are proud of how clean our rivers are now. I do not know about the effect of carbon dioxide, it is not my field and I suspect that applies to anybody who reads this forum. However, intuitively I know that in any aspect of life too much waste tends to bugger up the immediate environment (I am sure there is a joke worthy of Jet Blast in that statement!). Moderation in all things seems a good idea, something that the Americans, in their approach to Kyoto, do not seem to understand!
Maybe this thread should go to Jet Blast, although that would be sad as the subject of climate change was not my intention in starting this thread. Instead, it might be worth reflecting on the challenge of flying to the Antarctic. Clearly a dangerous and difficult business, as this thread makes clear.
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History of global warming.
By searching and reading some of the articles in this vast vat of knowledge, I have come to the conclusion that all this global warming C**P, is just that. It is the natural cycle of the earth, OK this time it may be proved by hindsight that it has been speeded up by man, but it would happen anyway.
As Aviate1138 states it is the Politicians smoke screen. Even David Bellamy has spoken out against global warming as a modern day disaster.
There are too many do-gooders giving do-gooders a bad name. The greens in Germany of the 80s, stopped the government from using salt on the roads as it was killing trees. Next year salt was back on the menu as too many people died from the lack of salt on the roads.
Now I will go and read Evening Star's first part of the thread.
Rgds unowho.
PS. After having read the report my only comment is:
Don't all flight briefs have a "What if something goes wrong part" to the brief. Every flight as a pax the cabin crew tell us what is available and what to do in case of....... Just our journalistic masters making something of nothing.
As Aviate1138 states it is the Politicians smoke screen. Even David Bellamy has spoken out against global warming as a modern day disaster.
There are too many do-gooders giving do-gooders a bad name. The greens in Germany of the 80s, stopped the government from using salt on the roads as it was killing trees. Next year salt was back on the menu as too many people died from the lack of salt on the roads.
Now I will go and read Evening Star's first part of the thread.
Rgds unowho.
PS. After having read the report my only comment is:
Don't all flight briefs have a "What if something goes wrong part" to the brief. Every flight as a pax the cabin crew tell us what is available and what to do in case of....... Just our journalistic masters making something of nothing.
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Summary: The 'Greens' are, IMHO, prats with an agenda. 'Politician' and 'doing good' are mutually incompatible concepts. 'Global warming' is a misnomer. Climate change is occurring, the issue for research is how much, why and what is going to happen. Intutition says that moderation in all things emission (and everything else in life!) seems wise.
The 'what if something goes wrong' brief does not usually include 'if we land on ice'. Well, not with the airlines I fly! The trip as reported looks bloody interesting. Always regret not applying for the 'Antarctic Survey' as a young graduate surveyor.
Summary: The 'Greens' are, IMHO, prats with an agenda. 'Politician' and 'doing good' are mutually incompatible concepts. 'Global warming' is a misnomer. Climate change is occurring, the issue for research is how much, why and what is going to happen. Intutition says that moderation in all things emission (and everything else in life!) seems wise.
The 'what if something goes wrong' brief does not usually include 'if we land on ice'. Well, not with the airlines I fly! The trip as reported looks bloody interesting. Always regret not applying for the 'Antarctic Survey' as a young graduate surveyor.
