China ... has turned
 

Well its seems that the market in China has gone bust to expats.

China Eastern in Nov said they will not renew any foreign Capts.

Most ex-pats in China are with some part of HNA Group and they have been having issues for ages.

Now Yangsee River (Suprama) has let go all expats,
HNA now paying ex-pats on local terms
BCA new contract is sign it, or we put you in the sim for a check.
West Air new contract with paycut
Guillin no recruitment and letting go
Lucky getting rid of all A320s.... what next

Chengdu .. not recruited for a year
Sichuan .. no recruitment.

I’m a victim too. Lost my job along with more than half the foreigners at my HNA airline.

The ones that are left are the last we’ll see of foreign pilots in China. Maybe a couple of years remain for the few that are left.

Why is this happening? It’s a very sudden change... Can they just change your contracts when they please?

yes, apparently.

Tianjin, not recruiting, waiting for financial bailout, considering options

Any idea about China Southern?
They seemed to have hired plenty of expats over recent years.
Are they letting their expat pilots go too, or reducing T&C's?

No info so far. Although they don’t seem at all worried when guys resign, which is happening a great deal recently.

They did however stop recruiting NTR pilots from January which was pretty unexpected given that the majority of the guys joining were actually NTR. That says something I believe.

Some agents have said they are expecting some ‘big news’(whatever that means) after CNY so watch this space......

BCA, which used to be one of better companies, I am understood to have told pilots that they sign new contract or get a sim ride !

CSA, always offered NTR but them most guys left after failing or realised that they were going to be a Cruise captain for a min of 3 years. The poster boys Aussies are long term and been there decades, it changed for new joiners.

There is a lot of weirdness and strangeness about Chinese aviation and airline practices but every day I hear a lot of unsubstantiated and child-like BS rumors about what is happening in China..One guy gets the chop at some stage of the recruitment or renewal process and that gets translated as some big hoohaa coming to bite the rest of us in the ass. "Oh, but he was a trainer in Europe!" "oh but he has 20,000 hours" or "he was such a nice guy, If they fired him they will fire us!". It doesn't matter, he had a bad day, and it was game over. A certain demographic of foreign pilots with their big circle always finds something to moan and and create negativity about. I've seen it first hand. Several agencies are still hiring for at least 4 different Chinese companies as we speak. They are renewing their adverts on many sites including FlightGlobal.com

There would in fact appear to be many inaccuracies in the original post......

As the post above said, no such memo sent in CEA stating they won’t renew any expats.
Nobody in HNA yet on local contracts.......only talk.
Sichuan airlines actively hiring apparently.
Suparna still have expats actively flying.

So China might be a quirky place but as CW said, lets try and stick to the facts.

SPEAK TO Guys at China eastern, maybe not an announcement but being let go and no renewals.

CSA has recruits in last 3 years, and has had many failures.

BCA pilots told sign new contract or face consequences

WA new contract , pilots being forced onto with loss up to $38k per annum.

sichuan claim to be recruiting but have not done so.

adverts by agencies mean nothing, and many offer what is not there to attract when in fact there are no jobs.

facts ....

Suprama, pilots told to sign local contract or go by 31 Dec.

I personally know someone who has been invited for a Sichuan interview last month.

S speed, good that Sichuan invited Your friend last month. Tell me when Your friend will start training. I was invited long time ago also....

As always take rumours with a pinch of salt, advertising jobs and being invited is not a good indication of actual hiring in China. They do this constantly with guys having big delays during the process or in some cases cancelling of start dates. In China anything and everything can happen at their discretion at any start of the process.

China has definitely turned: on the list of airlines not hiring anymore don't forget Xiamen Air, which was one of the biggest in terms of expats community.

As mach85 said, CSA stopped recruiting NTRs...how many rated guys will they get now? doesn't seems to be a problem for them since they keep failing people (even at initial type ratings) and they do nothing to stop pilots from resign. The rsp deal is basically over (especially on 777fleet) with no new assignment even with plenty "official" slots available.

Talking with a famous recruiter, I was told that a (named here) airline will get rid of foreigners over the next 12months or so.

Having said that, we all know that market in China is very unstable and everything can change again very rapidly... since most of the time those massive recruitments are even based on market figures, but on personal decisions of some so called "leader / manager".

Had a few pints with a good friend last night that is now at CSA, he said no hiring and guys are not only leaving, but also failed left and right on medicals and sim checks! He described it as a minefield where you are just waiting your turn to trigger the next mine! It's incredible that they are so shortsighted (well, not really) if they want to continue the growth of their aviation market it's not the most intelligent policy to react on market outlooks for the next 90 days, they should be looking ahead at the next decade!

I am at China Eastern... No one had been let go.
One guy quit recently he had enough and left on his own accord and is in fact looking at transferring to CS.

The onky people not renewed were and are the 60 Yr old guys.. And it was never truly guaranteed they could work past that when they all accepted the job so there is no reason to make a deal out of that

MR chairman I must ask what's your vested interest in all of this?



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My guess is that this will decimate the Chinese Airline industry as more and more flights are cancelled. Expats will be the first to go if there are staff cuts. That seems inevitable at this point imho.

Given the deteriorating situation in China - I'd be on the first flight out if I was working there.

I wouldn't want to get stuck in China and the options to leave are getting less every day.

Mandatory indefinite leave of absence of at least two airlines. Probably most will do the same.

Yes I just heard it's official at Beijing Capital and Tinjian Airlines (others in HNA group too?). Foreign pilots put on unpaid leave or a $200 per day retainer. "Force Majeure" is being used. I wonder where that leaves the pilots contractually? They can surely just leave without a notice period if they want to if the company is forcing the reduced pay?

The rumor mill is saying that CSA, all pilots have been sent home, leave without pay?.?? True?

Very true...maybe a good excuse to get rid of some of them!

"Good n old" fishing. For a long time I thought that lawyers were filthy. Then I met the brokers...

Hainan airlines implemented NPL of at least two months for expat pilots with immediate effect

does anyone have a copy of the company letters that are being sent out regarding pilots being instructed to go home without pay?

you have PM

For once the rumours are true.

Local terms
 

Hello could anyone share what are the local terms are salary and leave.

thx

Local terms for what/ Unpaid leave/ have you read the posts!!!!

roster is fixed 30/30 (30 off/30 off), salary 0$/month + annual safety bonus (0$).

They are desperate for pilots.

Expats are always the first to get the chop in a down turn, converting to local terms may well secure your position, it’s not unreasonable to ask what local terms are. If they aren’t too far behind, such as Singapore Airlines for example, then greater job security might swing it for some people.

This crisis will end eventually and things should ramp up again reasonably quickly.

I guess he is asking due to the many mentions in this thread about companies asking expats to sign local contracts (HNA, Suparna, etc.)

All things will eventually end. Doubtful they will ever be able to attract and recruit suitable candidates in the future now after this latest furlough round.

https://simpleflying.com/foreign-pil...eave-in-china/

Doubtful they will require any. No foreign pilots for the next one to two years is the latest gossip.

Money talks and memories are short, if the Chinese airlines dangle a big enough carrot they’ll soon have people applying when this has died down.

I think you need to change months to years. This is just getting started imho.

The situation in China is clearly out of control - plenty of videos online that back that up.

Their delayed and ineffective response has allowed this virus to spread globally. The WHO is finally starting to admit the truth after spending the last month pandering to the Chinese.

A team from the CDC has not been allowed to travel to China - the only thing that makes sense is that allowing them in will expose the true extent of the situation.

The published figures are just the tip of the iceberg - probably limited by the number of tests/day their labs can handle. They are not testing people who died outside their hospitals - so they are not being counted in the published figures.

What is happening on the Diamond Princess gives a good indication of what is probably taking place in Chinese cities.

The economic impact of this should not be underestimated - I would expect severe supply chain problems globally with all the associated knock-on effects.

Not sure I would trust this after whats been posted on this thread,

https://jobs.flightglobal.com/job/14...tId=1509961400