There's a reason why the $$$ are in China - and it's NOT all about a simplistic "pilot shortage" crap that so many trot out.

For the vast minority who "strike it lucky" and have a good run all kudos to them, right place/right time and the universe aligning etc etc.

For the vast majority - just another bucket of "sh*t Vs $$$" exercise.

However the quaint way the locals view "modern" aviation would have to be frustrating at times! :ugh:

Good luck to those who have a go at the "Chinese aviation lottery"!!

Cheers. :ok:

Hi everyone.

20-10 is the only option available to any new-comer, do not let anyone tell you otherwise. We are ALL based in Guangzhou, some just happen to have a reverse roster, this roster can change. If you are coming here, you are coming to china. Get that clear in your head first.

More concerning however, is the medical. If you get sick (I'm talking not being able to come to work sick) you will be FINED 600 dollars a day. We had one guy contract pneumonia and he lost 26000 dollars. If you fail an official medical you go on 100 dollars a day. Worth thinking about. We don't seem to be making any headway on this issue.

I like the job, and the people here. I'm staying but I am constantly afraid something like this may happen to me. We also have had an unusually high rate of bursting appendixes (is that the correct word) and said persons have gone straight to 100 a day. Your medical loss cover will NOT cover you if you are perfectly healthy remember, and we have had medical fails where the guy cant claim as there's nothing wrong with him. Beware of the risks before you join. So far it has worked out perfectly for me and its going well, I really like it. But others haven't had such a sweet ride. I'm just trying to get facts out there, no opinion or bitterness or attitude.

Horse sh*t

There are no fines if you are sick. Period.

You have a certain amount of sick days per year. If you exceed them, then you will be deducted pay per day you are sick, but you will NOT be fined!!!

Stop sending out this bull**** info thanks

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Fine or. Being deducted a day's pay are about the same ! It's cash they take away!

It most certainly is not horse sh&t. This happened to an individual who came down with pneumonia whilst at home in oz. please ask your colleagues if what I say is correct and come back on here and post your response.

It's partly true. If you fall sick then you are able to use your sick/AL days together with your contractual days 'off' to cover the time you are away from work.
If you are off longer than this then you will be fined/deducted pay whatever you want to call it. How they work this out nobody really understands but it seems to be your daily pay rate deducted then the same again as a fine. Nice eh........

It's safe to say that the atmosphere in this place has dramatically gone down hill in the last few months. The reason for this is unknown but it is being felt by nearly everyone I talk too here at the moment.
As Chinafly stated earlier, guys are being dealt medieval punishments for things they didn't even do. Everyone is now looking over their shoulder in fear of...............everything!!

You will never feel relaxed here. Worried about medicals, checkers that hate foreign pilots, someone finding a mark on the aircraft you flew and grounding you for 15 days without pay etc etc. The list goes on.

As has been mentioned many many times here. Think long and hard why you are coming here and if you have another option then..................

Cheers,

Not very encouraging to read all these post! CSA was one my two options to escape the Middle East but it seems neither CSA nor KAL are what we are sold on the Roadshows. I guess I better stay where I am now and roast myself in 50+ degrees Celsius.

Any recent update on the MOMO options? thanks

What's the best agency to be contracted with?

I hear GABS is good...

Any news about the assessments? I heard the pass rate is very very low especially for 737 skippers....not even reaching 20%.

I heard that recurent checks are failing a lot of guys. Is there a problem now with the chinese instructors?

Jeez where you guys hear all this stuff ......

Well wherever they do their sources are pretty accurate 😜

Pass rate on 737 is about 20% apparently at the moment so not exactly what you would call 'high' i guess.

Guys are indeed failing recurrent sims aswell recently. 2 guys made down to FO after sim failure.........totally ridiculous when you hear what for 😫😫😫😫

Dont forget the LCK failures aswell though. A guy on 787 apparently failed recently for crossing the threshold at 60'. I mean come on seriously...........

IF this is true, how is this allowed to happen? How can a company with this kind of training fly (internationally!) ??

I did the interview some time back on 330. depends what you consider a pass rate. Sim we had about 30 percent FULL pass on 330 and 25 on 737. this also included the ATPL and the Medical. was just less then 50 percent on the sim portion.

Failing a sim ride assessed by Chinese is probably a good thing. Means your a good operator. I wouldn't let them push a shopping trolley.

wide body takeoffs and landings? 3/4 a month max, a320 maybe 40! 10 times as much exposure to the naughty boy QAR system and a 3000 usd fine, next contract i am going to try for the 330 easy life

Do you knon if cz provide id 90 and zed with other airline?

Absolutely not!!
As Cedrus mentioned, you receive 6 'staff tickets' to use on the CSA network but they are about as useful as a concrete parachute.
They are basically ECO STBY with the incredibly slim chance to upgrade them to confirmed tickets IF you are lucky enough to book on a day when about 10 different factors all align and allow you to book a confirmed seat 😫

From what i heard, some other Chinese carriers do offer ID tickets. Shenzhen for 1 certainly used to. No idea if they still do.
HNA apparently do although that would need to be confirmed by someone on contract there.

CSA package is far inferior to others and the only real pull here is the RSP. However with all the RSP's full and all of them with waiting lists, some of the other carriers look much more appealing.
Recently somebody told me that HNA are looking at various new roster modes to attract more pilots. Apparently they want to get something close to a 2 week on 2 week off roster by operating guys to their chosen port on 1st and last day of duty. Interesting if comes true..........

Cheers,