Wyoming pilot. Your infomation is inaccurate re Jade and by association how you believe it will happen at CSA. The very first cohort of Jade 744 captains were more than 50% narrow-body captains with no wide body time in any seat. Indeed the German chief pilot who had no wide body time, inherited his position; post a stouch between the German C.P. and German management. The chief of training had no W/B time prior to joining Jade. True there were lots of opportunities back then but the reason later joiners became cruise captains was mostly due to numbers, not because of CAA policy. Also a lot of hopefuls came from the right seat to cruise captains jobs thinking they would get a command quickly. Having had no jet command at all, and when the ruse and illegallity was exposed the whole playing field was changed when a new manager from Germany was brought in. If you have studied the CAAC regs you will know that there is no such thing as a cruise captain; if a pilot has to sit in the left seat for whatever reason he must be fully qualified as a captain-no buts.

CSA assessed a bunch of very experienced 744 captains recently. Most, if not all, it seems passed -medical notwithstanding. How many of them accept the job will be another issue. CSA doesn't need cruise captains. All of those guys and gals will be asking the hard questions before they dive in. It's all new for CSA -it needs people with good skills and flexibilty for left seat jobs. They will not be training you how to be a widebody captain-they expect that you will already be a superior one..

Hence their policy of flying you with an experiened Chinese Captain if they have any reservation at all.

USD18500 net a month. Qantas captains get this, but for how much longer?

Jade promised fast upgrades from CC to Full up PIC and it never materialized. I have many friends and colleagues who were former Jade pilots. Many of the pilots left after 3-4 years still as CC. The issue is not the particular company involved but how the CAAC will restrict them. There are Air China pilots who were former 320 Captains and promised a NTR A-330 Captain. Many of these pilots are still after 2 years not full PICs and many are flying right seat and paid as FOs. At Juneyao the upgrade for NTR guys has stalled to a staggering 1.5 year process for NTR pilots. Grand Star cargo and Yangtze River tried bringing on NTR pilots and the process took well over 2 years to get them to full PIC. I am not saying you will never make it here. Just be advised how the China CAAC system will not allow NTR guys flying here without an extensive long drawn out processes under a sophisticated bureaucratic system which is slow, inefficient and mind boggling to try and understand. There will be delays, delays, delays at every turn. For full up type rated guys I think it will be a decent gig. For NTR guys prepare for copilot harassment and being smoked upon by the Chinese Captains and doing considerable deadheads.

For those of you not familiar with reality on this part of the world, Wyoming has laid it out how it is, no sugarcoating!
The apparently alluring offer of NTR transitions to A330, B777, B787 etc come with a steep cost.
Adding to the list of companies already mentioned it is the same with Hainan Airlines. Some of the boys coming from other types to transition to the A330 at Hainan have been through the pipeline for over 1.5 years. From delay to delay, make believe classes taught in Mandarin to clueless but despotic local instructors they have to go through it all.

In the end you will get the type rating, but be prepared to sell your soul to the devil and go through hell.

Such is not the case with those who come in type rated and with experience on type though, that's a different deal.

Bond
 

Below from Parc administration:

Every Captain undergoing transition training must have a bond of USD22,00 in place. This bond is to cover the cost of the transition training. Should any Captain fail to complete at least two years of service with CSA a portion of the bond will be paid to CSA. Please see below the exact amounts
· Less than 6 months worked – 22,000USD paid to CSA
· More than 6 months worked but less than 12 months worked – 19,000USD paid to CSA
· More than 12months worked but less than 18 months worked– 16,000USD paid to CSA
· More than 18 months but less than 24 months worked – 13,000USD paid to CSA

The bond must be in place before the captain comes on contract and expires after 2 years.:bored:

Stay away from PARC ... Sinple solution
 

None of the other agencies as yet are doing this ... So dont go with Parc.. Problem solved... It doesnt mean you wont owe your agent if you leave early ..but as you get paid in arrears the risk to them is minor... Vote with your feet and go elsewhere guys ..

Wja... current CSA 330 pilot!

Bond
 

It appears Rishworth and others are also required to apply a $20,000 bond/bank guarantee for CSA NTR programs. Details are yet to be finalized but I don't imagine this will help their recruiting efforts. If we all refuse to commit to a training bond, this idea will fall flat on its face. :ok:

Longreach do not require a bond. If you leave then they will hold your pay and the agency will chase you for the remainder if there is any.

Hey Woodja51

Have you heard anything about the progress of the YVR base and the 787 service planned for there?

Best Regards

WJAP

I agree with a lot of the things you have to say about China Wyomingpilot but just for your info I start a 787 class Dec 5th.

4 holer
 

Were you NTR or B777 rated and doing the transition to B787?

4Holer

do you have any feedback regarding the CAAC ride.
please feel free to PM or to post here for all to gain from.

Which base are you going to be rostered from.

WJP

Interviewed for 744 position but was offered 787/777 when they decided not to hired anymore 744 guys. I have opted for the LHR reverse scheduling program but remains to be seen how that will work.

4holer,
Thanks for all the info. Nice to hear somebody NTR actually starting the course.
As a matter of interest, is there anything written in your contract about the reverse scheduling option you have 'chosen' or is that just something that will happen when they have enough people to roster it?

Im also waiting for the CAAC sim ride so all info is much appreciated.

Kind regards for now :)

Yes I have a reverse scheduling clause in the contract but it is a little vague. Also for interest sake, I have no bond requirement but my contract states that the company will pay the transition costs and there are penalties for leaving early.

'A bit vague' :-) Well thats already more than i had expected:8

Good news re the bond as well.
There is a lot mentioned in this thread about NTR going in as cruise captains which has yet to be confirmed either way. Anything about that in the contract or maybe you have some info on that from the inside as you are so close to starting?

Many thanks again. Hope to see you down there soon

No cruise Captain mentioned. Just states that I will carry out the duties of a Boeing Captain.

Thanks 4holer for all the info.

I'm also waiting for the CAAC Sim ride, so any info regarding that would be greatly appreciated. Is the CAAC Sim ride the laststage?

4holer
 

Many thanks for all the information.
Much appreciated by myself and im sure many others.

All the best for your course in December.

Best regards :ok:

Heard the last 7 guys in the sim had two get through (Boeing fleet).

Does "two get through" mean only two passed the CAAC check or that only two successfully completed the Boeing NTR CSA training program?