Vietnam Airlines. Rishworth or Parc Aviation?
 

Virtually the same in my opinion, money arrives on time from both, insurance is very similar. DPI is not in the same boat.

There are actually four contract agencies here, Parc, Rishworth Aviation, Direct Personnel, and Euro-Pacific. RAL and Parc having the most crews here.

what's wrong with DPI? I know they are new in game in VA but thought they were reputable company?

Stay Away From Rishworth!!!!!!!!
 

I have been here at Vietnam Airlines for over a year. Half the pilots I started with were Parc, half were Rishworth. DPI is a newcomer here so I don't have much info.
What I can tell you is STAY AWAY FROM RISHWORTH. This was my first contract, and I didn't know any better. Rishworth has a very well deserved horrible reputation in the contract world. Some experienced contract pilots told me that as soon as I got here, and I found out why.
They are lying scumbags that provide you with little to no service on contract. I watched Parc guys have a few problems, and the next day the problem is solved. we emaii Rishworth with a problem, and it takes them 4-7 days just to return the email, let alone do anything. Rishworth just unilaterally cut our pay, without our consent or signing a new contract.
FWIW, the 320 flying here is easy, and the schedules aren't bad. My average duty day is 7 hours long. 1-2 days a week it is as short as 4. Good job. Challenging place to live, and I have been all over Asia.

320 pilots have averaged about 3 sectors a day since i got here over a year ago. A mix of 2, 3, and 4 sector days with 1 hour on the ground. Expats do the short haul flying so the locals can run an import-export business out of their suitcase. Average sector length is 1 hour. Maybe twice a month you'll fly over 2 hours on a flight. A lot of flights are 25-45 minutes
Hours, since I got here I've averaged 80 hours a month on a full month. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. Not real consistent actually.
They don't pay overtime, so you don't want to fly more. No layovers other than Hanoi. You average 2 nights a week in Hanoi.

Cultural problems at work? Yeah, but from what I read about Chinese and Korean jobs, it might be better here. Actually I have no complaints about the job itself. It is tough to live here in Saigon, although the same can be said of a lot of polluted overcrowded asian cities.

My biggest problem here was Rishworth. There are no repeat customers here for Rishworth. NONE. I have heard a few Parc guys say they won't fly a contract unless they are represented by Parc. I get emails from Parc about issues at Vietnam Airlines and it is night and day between them and Rishworth.

Contract wise I don'l think this would be a great one to move your family to. Schools are expensive and not subsidized by the airline, and wives don't do real well either.

If you are single, it is Disneyland.

Any interviews any time soon on A330 FO contracts?
What is the pass rate on for the sim screening.

thank you very much in advance.

Hands Down...Go with PARC!

Maybe we need to have a look at the other 60 some pages about Vietnam Airlines that exist within this zip-code (pprune). Parc and RAL don't seem to be providing too many new pilots to VNA these days. It would appear that only Direct Personnel folks are getting in. Sure, it's political, but that's just how is goes sometimes.

Whilst it is generally agreed that Parc is the best choice, if you really want to join VNA, you may need to consider DP as the most likely immediate option.

Say it isn't so!


Really! What problems?

You're joking, right?


It's DisneyNam regardless of whether you're single or married.


I have a question. Why would you take a Sandwich to a Buffet?

Some fine points.

Rishworth charges you 20 to 25 USD for your monthly salary wire transfer. Parc does not. Both are on time or early with your pay. Parc always by the 25th of the month. While BUPA Gold has had a few changes through Parc. They always paid for my stuff timely even for procedures in the US. I had 100%, no co-pay or deductable world wide. Don't know that much about Rishworth medical, but before you decide get the details of their fine print.

What about the expat driver who was run down on his motorbike (along with his girlfriend) and then beaten to a pulp (as was she).

Does that count as a cultural problem? How long was the hospitalisation?

GB

FWIW, I've heard that DPI pays on the 10th day of the month for the previous month even though they receive payment from VAC on the 24th, they also charge 25 USD for each wire transfer, no medical insurance, but personal accident and injury is included. :uhoh:

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330 captains
 

Hi, anyone on this thread actually working for VNA, what's the T&C's for 330 Capt's or TRI"s, and 330 network if possible please? I have an offer out of the blue, and need some comparative info please?!

If you join as an F/O what are the chances of eventually moving onto another fleet or a command upgrade?

Abosulutely................NIL

While I am not in Vietnam, Parc pays you by the 25th for the current month you are flying in Korea. Your contract states it is due by the end of the month. You don't have to wait until next month for your money.

Please tell the 30 some Expat F/O's at VNA who HAVE been upgraded in the past few years that those upgrades were "Abosulutely" not possible!

The only caveat about upgrades I was told about is you had to finish your contract or at least your first one before an upgrade. Then you had to be there at the right place at the right time.

Finish your first contract, or at least one year of it! My god man, the audacity of some companies to require such things!

I didn't say finish one year, I said the first one which I meant was the first contract. If you renew as a F/O they might upgrade during that contract. I don't know. That's what I was told by Parc when I was prospecting for a job several years ago.

2 cents worth
 

I believe the upgrades initially came about to help create incentive for more FO's to join, now that many upgrades have taken place, it's more about supply and demand, and the availability of TRE's.

As far as I'm aware, it has nothing to do with completing a contract, and further more, it won't be mentioned in any contract. It should also be noted that when accepting an opportunity to upgrade, you will effectively be resigning your current position, so if you fail, you will now have to attempt to re-qualify in your previous position at your own expense. :eek: One must be fully prepared.

You should be ready for that upgrade in Darwin stubbie mate. :}

If you have to pay for it it is not an upgrade
30 ?
I am not so sure of that, the first 4 was 4 years ago then nothing for a while
Then another 3 of 4 guys from ATR to A320 and I think only 1 completed succesfully
Recently 4 convert from A320 to A330 (1 failed) and they were working in VN since a long time
By the way if you fail you have to pay again to return on your previous aircraft

I've nearly got 300hrs on ATR 42 - how come VAC don't recognise 42 time? I and many of my colleagues just don't understand? Surely it can't be that different.

Lol, for ages, they've not been accepting A319 time for A320 applicants, I think that problem is fixed now. :confused:

What would you call it?

You should know if you're actually ready for the upgrade or not. If you're not really ready, or you don't fully prepare for it, then you should expect to fail.

At that point, I'd say that you'd be lucky to still have a job and should be expected to pay for wasting everyones time.

there are people there thinking they are ready for an upgrade, but they are not! this statement is valid for some expats and also for some locals!

Very true! And when those locals fail an upgrade, they are sent back to their previous positions, and sometimes, to lessor positions.

An example that comes to mind is a VN 777 F/O who tried to upgrade to Command on the Airbus. He failed and was sent to F/O on the Airbus. However, he did manage to BUY (paid for his 777 recurrency) his way back to F/O on the 777.

Seems to me that things are the "Same Same" for both locals and expats.

Hmmm, not often you'll find that in Asia!

Contrary to what a lot of you may think, Expat does not equal Expert!

Any caveat in changing agencies?
 

(Firstly apologies to "Gipsy moth" for cutting in on his thread)

Quick question in a similar vein; I'm an A320 F/O (1300hrs on type) and have been applying to Vietnam Airlines with DPI however I would like to change agencies to Rishworth as my applications never get anywhere with DPI. (I'm fully aware that this may also be the case with Rishworth but that is for a seperate discussion) :)

Do I understand correctly that all I need to do is obtain a 'letter of release' from DPI in order to switch over?

If so, and this is the part that's causing me the most concern, will Vietnam Airlines look unfavourably on this action? I'd like to change agencies but certainly not at the expense of undermining my chances!:bored:

Could anyone offer any insights as to how significant an issue this really is?

Best regards,

Emerald Flyer :)

cause a ruckus before you actually get hired. yep, that'll look good on ya mate!

Emerald flyer, If Rishworth is requesting this letter of release, it is simply a courtesy between the agencies, VNA is not involved at all, I am aware of several pilots that applied at both agencies at the same time and waited for the first to call.

Good luck, D.L.

Much appreciated
 

Thanks Dream Land and Gipsy flyer. I feel more relieved now :-)

failed upgrade to the airbus
 

there was a local 777 F/O who recently failed the upgrade to a command position on the A-330, but he did not have to pay a cent to come back to the 777. he wanted to stay on the 330 and try again for upgrade next year, but as they are short of F/O's on the 777 he was sent back - for free!