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haha
im pretty sure .. i think thats why the inspector who was interviewing me told me to come bck the other day ... just to complete the interview.. and was actually smoking downstairs since meeting daw nila ..
i know its a joke na may nakakapasa kahit hindi nagababayad.. pero whats bad is nagiging resort na lang ng tao yung ganun.. we can actually raise the standards and maybe in the future be awarded or be accredited as only to take a minor exam to get certified in another country.. . oh well.. life ... |
Steve Snelson .... hmmmm...This name caught my eye on this forum... I have met this guy (stout guy, looks like santa claus)... he went to see me on my office sometime last year (jan 2008 i think) and he is working on a contract to do heli charter somewhere in the Bicol region.
I have a bad feeling on this character, and i beg off to help him on his supposed contracts. So if somebody out there is looking for him, PM me and i would gladly help you out. I hate shady characters and let us weed them out one by one ... by the way... if there's bad people in the aviation industry in the Phils, we start looking at the CAAP :D |
Im reading some of the new CARs, i.e. CAR Part 1 and came across this paragraph... 1.1.1.2 Applicability para (b)...
Exactly as worded in the CARs "Those regulations addressing persons certificated under any Part of these regulations apply also to any person who engages in an operation governed by any Part of these regulations without the appropriate certificate, license, operations specification, or similar document required as part of the certification" Anybody here understands what this paragraph means? Actually, there are many more statements/requirements in the CARs that are worst than this...:{ ICAO or FAA doesnt even need to do audit to CAAP, just ask anybody within the Philippine aviation industry and they will tell you how bad CAAP is right now... they are in deep deep **** :ugh: |
Hear Ye, Hear Ye
CAAP has now more than 200 consultants on the payroll (now that's one for the guiness records). Half of which don't even have aviation background and most don't have aviation knowledge. Seems that everybody just want their piece of the pie. It's really getting worst in here. For us, CAAP stands for Cira Ang Ating mga Pangarap (our dreams are shattered). :ugh:
If only the general public is aware how much of CAAP's collected revenue go to waste because of incompetence. |
REGS
win faa,
the caap CAR is a law regs just like the FAR/AIM in the FAA therefore it is written like law quotes or jargon. to sum up the quote you posted..it pretty much says certain regs apply to those under specific certificate.... and to make sure all is covered it further states that regs also apply to all operating to similar operations without those certificates. ...in a nut shell "this reg applies to all operators..legal or not" its a way for law to encompass everything just in case the regs miss someone and its covering all.. BTW....the new regs was introduced with the assistance of ICAO/FAA to assist the Philippines. its a working progress |
got this quote from CAAP personnel...
CAAP = Ciron Ang Aming Panginoon The previous CARs dont have to be changed as they only need some few improvements. What needs to be overhauled are the people manning the agency. By the way, got info from CAAP that the ICAO audit is scheduled this year. Should CAAP fail this audit, its a sure way of making it in the EU Blacklist... its the FAA version of Cat 2 downgrade... |
CAAP
It's my 1st post here, so here it goes...
just today..i heard this from one good friend of mine...(first hand info) One "pogi" in the CAAP wanted to close one flight school...due to some "irregularities" etc etc,,,, ok.. .let say the said school have something going on.... BUT the funny thing is... the $aid POGI is in the PAYROLL of another flight school...and the $aid pogi is "very mad" to the people in the CAAP.. bec the DG did not acted on the matter, as it lack$ merit (the school is not operating)... i will po$t more info later on on this POGI guy. herhhehheheheheh :ok: |
win faa
CAAP is to be audited by EU this April, FAA in July then ICAO audit in October. Changes or amendments to PCARs, documents, procedures, MANOPS (manual of operations), etc. are necessary as these are part of the things that will be audited. You are right on one thing, the CAAP needs a general overhaul on staffing especially on management. question authority You should report this POGI to the CSC (Civil Service Commission) so he can be investigated on two counts. First, he is using his position for personal gains which is not allowed in public service (conflict of interest). Second, this is a clear case of "double-job". Civil Service rule is that a public servant cannot have another job than that stated in his plantilla without the consent of the CSC. amihan You sound like you are a technical staff. Are you ATC, ANS or ACOM? Where are you assigned? |
Sorry for my stupid question: Is the CAAP the successor of the corrupt ATO?
If so, how is corruption doing there now? Can you still get your med whithin 5 mins without being checked and leave a few bills on the table of the so-called "Flight Surgeon"? |
from what ive heard
from what ive heard .. and this one is currently working inside the CAAP.. (why not go away, you may ask? he needs the job)
CAAP is much better and much more efficient than ATO... the bad thing is that, they're much more better in corruption and as some would say "palakasan". God Help Us.. or The people who are still dealing with the CAAP since I don't na. buti na lang. |
CAAP could not even conduct breifings to the industry on the new CARs, Why? because they themselves have problems with the way the CARs where written! Nobody at CAAP would dare teach those CARs to the industry! Even the guys sent by ICAO as consultant to CAAP would not dare teach or give the briefings to the industry because they will be flooded with questions they could not answer.
At the present state of the CAAP, and the way I see things happening at the agency, CAAP will fail the audit (unless, political intervention would happen). Because if they do pass, EU, ICAO and FAA will look very stupid if CAAP passed with flying colors! |
amihan You sound like you are a technical staff. Are you ATC, ANS or ACOM? Where are you assigned? Are you asking me to reveal my identity on a public forum??? HELLOOO!! |
License renewal
A sign in the CAAP medical office says an applicant can't process his medical check up requirement unless it's 28 days to license expiry.
Consider: 1. Approximately 7 days eating up into a weekend because the medical clerk incessantly deplores that because they are undermanned :( and that she has so many others' certificates piled-up to prepare; 2. 2 to 3 days to process a check ride permit; 3. X number days prior his check ride; and then another 3. 4 days to eventually process license possibly again eating up to another weekend. How many days leeway are pilots actually left with to juggle their schedule and process this requirement? The clerks thereat are so technology-resistant old that they have never so far considered using computer(s) to facilitate the entire procedure. |
tech..
you cant say that..i saw then using an abacus...
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you say using an abacus Jester..... try using his fingers to count how many days it would take you to get a check ride permit ( 2 weeks ) --- "susmaryosep "
Also, I tried talking to a check pilot regarding the "class rating" in the new CAR, and he is so use to explaining type rating that he still said you need 10 hours on a C152 even if you fly a 747.... :confused:. They couldn't even get to explain correctly an additional rating for instructors correctly in the old A.O.60. nothing has changed, in fact I really think it got worse.... i fear they will fail the next audit. |
CAR - 10 hours
...funny i could never find the reference to this 10 hours required flying time..??
i have the new regs downloaded and cant find a reference to this at all. if anyone has an idea which page is it on..please share.. |
CAR - 10 hrs
Jester and Tian Yu- it's in the old AO 60. I haven't seen it in the new regs though. Maybe it has something to do with the "class rating" I was enquiring about.
Most of us probably know that a class rating allows you to fly any single engine airplane with only an "endorsement" ( estimate of 2 flight hours) to get the aircraft in your license in comparison to a type rating ( 10 hrs) that was required in the old AO60. I needed this confirmed by them but ................. :ugh: |
Additional rating sought
You can find the answer to your questions regarding Additional Type Rating Sought in the current CAAP CAR (Civil Air Regulation), Part 2, Titled "Personnel Licensing".
The problem you will have is to convince the Authority :rolleyes: that CAAP CAR Part 2 Personnel Licensing exist. Its all in there written in black and white and its a Regulatory Law passed by the Philippine Government. Good Luck...... |
HR
what exactly are you trying to do? what licenses do you hold and what are you trying to add.
the new regs is just as confusing and the worst part no one at the CAAP will touch it or interpret it. either way.. you have to say "uncle" depending who you are asking there. the 10 hours is no where to be found..at least i did not see it. if you do see it please pm me with a reference to the regs.. i have a pfr format copy of the regs which i downloaded from the CAAP website. it is part 2, licensing. good luck..please share anyinfo you may come across..but only if it can be referenced. thanks |
Civil Aviation Authority executive probed for grave misconduct
MANILA, Philippines – Director General Ruben Ciron has ordered the investigation of Daniel Dimagiba, Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) deputy director-general for operations, for alleged acts of grave misconduct, including issuing a certificate to operate to an airline company. Dimagiba’s issuance of an Air Carrier Operating Certificate (ACOC) to Sky Aviation Services, Inc. (SASI) on Aug. 1, 2008 has drawn the attention of the Australian aviation oversight authority and the European Union Air Safety Committee. Last Feb. 5, Ciron sent Dimagiba a memorandum ordering him to submit an explanation why no administrative or criminal charges should be filed against him. In response, Dimagiba sent Ciron a copy of his “letter of apology” to Daniel Calleja, Director-General for Energy and Transport of the European Commission, dated Feb. 10. Dimagiba said he issued the ACOC on Aug. 1, 2008 in the belief that it was within the scope of his authority while the CAAP was in a transition period and the implementing rules and regulations of Republic Act 9497, the Civil Aviation Authority Act of 2008, was still being prepared. Dimagiba allegedly committed eight counts of grave misconduct. He and another employee were the subjects of a written complaint addressed to President Arroyo on Jan. 2, 2008 by the Flying School Operators Association, which alleged that Dimagiba and the employee were collecting $1,500 per foreign student before signing certificates. Dimagiba denied the claim. On Sept. 15, 2008, Dimagiba and another employee reportedly threatened flight operations inspectors Capt. Andrew Florentino and Capt. Ismael Lapus Jr. to change the failing grades they gave to “organic pilots” Capt. Jayfred Basawil and Capt. Saturnino de la Cruz or else they and four other flight inspectors will not be issued their licenses and their funding from the International Civil Aviation Organization will be cut off. Dimagiba is also reportedly guilty of unauthorized correspondence and misrepresentation with foreign authorities and international organizations. In some correspondences, Dimagiba reportedly expressed CAAP official positions with regard to RP-registered aircraft operating abroad with foreign civil aviation authorities without consulting or informing the director general of CAAP. |
Amihan,
Is CAAP the new ATO? What are Capts Andy Florentino and Ismael Lapus' positions there? |
Director General Ruben Ciron has ordered the investigation of Daniel Dimagiba |
Like what I said in my previous post, there was never an improvement from ATO to CAAP, they just made things worst.
For me, anybody who audits CAAP and give them flying colors would definitely look very very stupid :ugh: |
I'm new here in this forum.
I have been with the outfit before and the sentiments of all those I left behind in CAAP are really bad. We thought then that CAAP was the answer but then again we were wrong. The level of corruption increase with no benefits for the existing employees. The undermining thing about this is that the technical people are the ones greatly affected. If things don't change, time will come when those who will be stay will be overaged guys and newly hired who lacks experince. Many of ny fellow technical personnel are either contemplating on leaving or are just waiting for their dispatch to go abroad or to another company. I feel really sorry for the state that CAAP is now. I talked with those people who conceptualized CAAP around the 80's and they are really sad, they said that this is not what we dreamed for before. Leadership is really doesn't know anything about running the show. They accepted the job with no clear vision on what to do. Then they hired a lot of consultants who when I was still there, was asking us about our job. Come on, you are consultants, you should know a lot more than what we know. I was wondering if they are consultants or just "consulsol". 186 last I heard all receving 18k+ a month and having a bigger allowance that's why all of them kapit toko with their job, Plus tha fact that most of them have bested interest in having a pet project to endorse to the DG. Almost all areas ng CAAP has consultants, before even the Personnel has a concultant. I don't know where this band wagon is going to. I hope in the near future things will change. I salute those who still work there and still provide the service. Kudos to the Technical Personnel especially the ATC, COMS and the ANS.... Just my honest opinion.... |
CAAP.. Still under the shadows of the old ATO..
Oh well..
I can't believe what's continuing to happen in CAAP, it's like ATO part 2. I have been through the STUPID process of getting licenses there.. And I really hated it.. Some AIRLINE pilots (OLD AGED) would just go inside the office and do the stamping on their own and get the forms they needed from their KAKILALA inside, WHILE SOME ARE WAITING OUTSIDE FOR THEIR TURN. A friend of mine got his license by giving the SOMEONE there a few hundreds and a lunch meal. THE CONCLUSION: If everyone wants change in CAAP, REMOVE ALL THE OLD EMPLOYEES! The aviation industry is considered as a very professional field. Too bad, the Philippines does not understand this. :ugh: |
THE CONCLUSION: If everyone wants change in CAAP, REMOVE ALL THE OLD EMPLOYEES! The aviation industry is considered as a very professional field. Too bad, the Philippines does not understand this. The Safety Division comprises approximately 20% of the work force and the rest are technical staff (ATC, ANS, ACOM). They (Safety) maybe rotten and corrupt but not us. We are struggling here and you are adding insult to injury by generalizing. |
I believe ALL pinoys are corrupt more or less, they are well teach by years of the corrupt government
It goes from the taxi driver all the way up to Arroyo,and i feel sorry for the little person that don´t have a single peso to play the corruption game. One of my best friends are a Philippine General and the story's i hear from him are beyond all fantasia |
man-up
Thanks for standing up. At least most of us know there are positive things going on at the CAAP. Please keep up the good work as it is always an uphill battle when one department are doing well and the others are not. keep up the good work as this is the only way to slowly progress...we all benefit from people like you who stick it out...
Thank You....:D |
That's true Amihan. The technical side (ATC, COMS and ANS) are the workhorse of the outfit. And they are not corrupt. I used to belong to this group so I share your sentiments when then generalize all CAAP employees. You guys provide the service and comprise the major part of CAAP that's why you guys are the ones really burdened by the situation.
So in the future be careful guys in generalizing terms. Hope things work out for the better. |
"The technical side (ATC, COMS and ANS) are the workhorse of the outfit."
Is the safety division a non technical department? The way I understand it, without the safety division there can be no ATC controlling the aircraft at all since they the safety division issues the airworthiness certificate, air operator certificate, pilots license, etc. after all. This is the main reason why Philippines was downgraded by the FAA to Category 2 due to the fact that the safety division was not capable of doing its safety oversight to philippine aviation. The FAA audit was mainly focus on the requirements of ICAO Annex 1, 6 and 8 only, which in my opinion are the responsibility of the safety division. I guess all the people at CAAP should work together to ensure that the leaders they place at CAAP should be those who deserve it. Do employees at CAAP have the courage to voice these matters to the government since they already know what is really going on within CAAP? |
hey cn any one let me know the procedure to convert my faa multi cpl to phillipines cpl.. i want to do my recency in phillipines and as well as rt for conversion to indian cpl..
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FAA convertion
new regs for 2009. depending on what privileges you will be using your CPl for. Go to CAAP website under licensing.
in a nutshell..if you want to act as PIC in a commercial operation in the Philippines you will need to show in your log book a minimum of 200 hours flown in a RP registered aircraft. |
Download the new regulations from here: CAAP - Downloads
The CAR's are 5th down the list. Actually, what you'll get initially is a Validation Certificate which will be your temporary license 'til you get your 200 hours in a Phil. registered aircraft. After getting 200 hours, that's when they will convert your FAA CPL to an RP-CPL. But beware, though. The process might be more painful than what is actually written in the CAR's. :ouch: A friend of mine actually suggested at one time to stop reading the CAR's after getting all sorts of requirements and varying interpretation depending on the check pilot he faced on a particular day. Here's a valuable tip, though: NEVER EVER GIVE THEM YOUR LOGBOOK IF THEY ASK THAT YOU LEAVE IT WITH THEM. Photocopy it or what have you. That freakin' office is one big black hole in the center of the known aviation universe. :ugh: |
Toulost said: Here's a valuable tip, though: NEVER EVER GIVE THEM YOUR LOGBOOK IF THEY ASK THAT YOU LEAVE IT WITH THEM. Photocopy it or what have you. That freakin' office is one big black hole in the center of the known aviation universe....
I agree -100%, they ( safety division people) are notorious for it. A friend who was converting his license was asked to leave his logbook and while talking to other pilots, they told him their horror stories with safety div., so he went back the same day, got a photocopy and took his logbook. :ooh: However, people in medical have also known to lose X-ray results. WTF ??? :ugh: as Toulost said: they are a BLACK HOLE. := |
win faa
The safety division is not a technical department but a regulatory department. Much like the PRC (Professional Regulations Commission) for career professionals. ATCs, like pilots, need to have an ICAO recognized license to operate control towers or man radar sectors. Also annual aviation medical for currency. The Safety Division is the office designated by the Philippine government to regulate this. However, our licensing process is not as much as a pain like yours (pilots) simply because we are already ATO/CAAP "organics" and they cannot get anything from us. We are as pulubi as they are. CAAP employees do not have the say who becomes the boss of the agency. It is the president's choice, whoever she wants to appoint as leader of CAAP the employees just have to accept that. |
Old Farts From Pal
AMIHAN,
i have not read all of the past forums but these things i know firefox...this idiot wats his name...AHHH....TINGLE CONTRACEPCION on airbus 340 ex pal is there bembol julie annO.....feeling tom cruz with his 1000cc motorcycle(too old for his age,...DOM>>) MANG LAPUS...ilongo piece of sh....t :mad: bully of newbies, good for nothing captain who does not know techinicalities of his aircraft, relies on his seniority and fat ass and big beer belly, owns a 45 caliber pistol but can't shoot straight in the gun club,,,, WHY IS IT THAT THESE IDIOTS WHO ARE ABOVE 65, AND YET HOLD RATINGS ON THEIR LICENSES, ARE LEGAL TO CHECK PILOTS, GET PAID MORE THAN THE ORGANICS(WHO ARE LOUSY FLIERS AND HAVE FAILED THEIR SIM COURSES EXCEPT ONE....OR TWO??, ) BUT ARE FUC...KNG OLD!!! AND BEYOND THE LEGAL AGE TO FLY!! :}:}:}:rolleyes: |
To pare,
So you mean CAAP employees would just shut their mouth even if the President appoint an idiot at the agency? It seems that "safety culture" is non-existent within the agency. I remember when ATCs at ATO have taken a forceful stand and did a strike to remove Villaruel at the helm of office. Nobody likes these things to happen again, but what is CAAP doing knowing that the people being appointed are incompetent? |
Yeah he is right, i have a controller friend @ ATO/CAAP, the people just shut up when they have a new 'boss', its because they are threatened & coerced(forced) by the people who are supposed to be their seniors in the office.:\:ugh::{
thats probably why most controllers are grumpy on the frequency.:} Yep thats the culture there.:(:{ i came across this article in the net. Homesick in West Central Africa - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos it is very typical of that office. i tried to get my ratings signed & checked in AVsafety, the old farts there blatantly asked for money, i couldnt say no, i wanted it done badly so i gave the last money i had, its was good a had fuel in my car to go home. what if i didnt bring my car? what of those young guyss who dont have connections & enuf money to go home? ho humm... :=:yuk::{:ugh: |
Now PAL is re-thinking their B777-300ER purchase
You guys in the PI will never get your act together again as long as you have ATO/CAAP ppl who cant run the Civil Aviation properly.
Upgrading to FAA Cat. 1 is far, far away and now PAL re-thinks their B777-300ER purchase PAL rethinks Boeing purchase PAL rethinks Boeing purchase FLAG carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) is reported to be shelving its planned purchase of about six units of the long-range Boeing 777-300ER because the Philippines remains in Category 2 status since its downgrading by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the last quarter of 2007. The Faa will not allow any Philippine air carrier to mount new destinations in the United States unless Category 1 status has been reaquired through sweeping reforms in the local aviation industry. Although the former Air Transportation Office has been abolished and replaced by the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (Caap), its director general, Ruben F. Ciron, is finding that getting back to Category 1 is a long and difficult process. Ciron, who took over the Caap in June 2008, has discovered that the reported “autonomy” granted by the Caap for him to put in place sweeping reforms is not easily enforceable. For one, the Caap remains under the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC), which means reforms must have the approval of Secretary Leandro Mendoza. Pressing more technical men into service means going through the requirements imposed by the Civil Service Commission (CSC), and having his funds scrutinized by the Budget Department. The Caap has trouble recruiting highly technical men because of the low salary structure. But when the Caap submitted a salary scale that appears to overtake the levels of those from the DOTC, the latter’s executives balked, demanding to know what technical know-how these men have that they don’t. When Ciron suspended an assistant for committing eight counts of alleged illegal transactions, the executive refused to submit himself to an accounting before his peers and brought the case before the Pasay City Regional Trial Court (RTC). The Pasay RTC junked the case, although the Caap said that may not be the end of it. Caap in limbo; PAL cautious These difficulties are preventing the Caap from focusing on its main objectives of addressing the problems that the FAA wants solved before the authority is allowed to regain its Category 1 status. So long as the Caap remains in limbo, PAL has to reconsider its expansion plans, according to sources in the aviation industry. On December 6, 2006, PAL signed an agreement with Boeing for two Boeing 777-300ER aircraft, with a purchase agreement for two more aircraft. A separate agreement to lease two additional 777-300ERs from General Electric Capital Aviation Services was signed as well. Delivery of the four 777-300ERs will commence in 2009. In May 2007, PAL exercised its rights to purchase an additional two 777-300ERs for delivery in 2011. However, Jaime Bautista, PAL president, is reported to be wary about ending up with airplanes that have no routes to fly, as they are not prepared to enter Europe at this stage when American doors are closed for them to expand. The effect of the downgrading is that PAL and other Philippine air carriers would not be able to apply for new routes in the United States until the Category 1 rank is reinstalled. Bautista said that having two new planes is manageable, as they can find routes easily for them, but the third one will be more difficult at this stage of their finances. The airline intends to fly the triple seven to Canada, Japan and Australia for the time being and will transfer the A340 to Los Angeles by November. Same caution everywhere An aviation source said that most international airlines in the world are either deferring or canceling (then buying a cheaper aircraft type) their orders because of the global financial crisis. The Boeing 777 is a long-range, wide-body twin-engine airliner, now considered the world’s largest twinjet and commonly referred to as the “Triple Seven.” The aircraft can carry between 283 and 368 passengers in a three-class configuration and has a range from 5,235 to 9, 380 nautical miles. It is designed to bridge the capacity difference between the B767 and the B747. Just wondering who are the ATO/CAAP officials who lined their pockets with that deal? Amb. Alfred Yao claims that he and his boys very to the "gods" in ATO/CAAP and they can get wonders done by putting the necessary "oil into the engine" of ATO/CAAP! When will the ppl in the islands learn to do thing right and right at the first time? |
Its only a matter of time before the Philippines joins the EU Blacklist. If that happen's the next President will be flying to Europe for an official trip on a foreign airline :ugh: What a shame!
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