Sense of responsibility
 

A good organization requires both good leadership and followership.

Command responsiblity is spawned by one's general good sense of responsibility. Among others, it involves recognizing one's obligations and not running away from it.

"He also leads who follows"

Change in the leadership and and he also leads who follows: great English, Skyhawker and parsifal.

Skyhawker, you seem to have a genuine desire for PAL to change. With the prescription to follow Cebu Pacific's formula. Maybe you can hop over there and teach the change :}

On Leadership
 

Parsifal, your concept of "Leadership" is on the micro side which is applicable only to small unit/organization. My concept is "macro leadership", which is how to change a very large organization from a bad and dwindling to a good and profitable one. In short, how a Leader set the tone and direction.

Have you seen a very good organization devastated by a Weak Leader? It is the same thing that a very bad organization transformed by a Strong Leader. A good example is Malaysian Airlines. It is the Leader.

Pack1, I do not have any plan to move at my present position at the moment though I feel that I am the "Big Boss" of my own organization with "much of the pay and less of the responsibility". My English is also not as good as what you may think of (ICAO Level 5) but good enough than those English Speaking countries who got Level 4. I have 6 years to enjoy my work and to improve my English.:)

By the way, I know an IP who is good in many things. Good in English, good in speech, good in grammar, good in composition,and the most important thing is"good in connections". But he has a big problem on CRM that borders an incident or accident. He should have been better as an English Instructor.;)


"It's All About Experience."



No Offense!!!

Skyhawker
 

There is this sinister prospect of war erupting anew in mindanao arising from the botched MOA on the BJE. There appear a vacuum in the political leadership of our land. I am strongly endorsing the prayer of Pack1 that you come back and provide us, hapless filipinos, your macro leadership. Please..

These move have solve Bupak problem and since then has established a good safety record . The Big Question is will PAL do the same thing...:confused:

A good example is Malaysian Airlines. It is the Leader.

Speaking of malaysians, there are quite a number of them lurking in PAL's offices. This seems to agree with the rumor that malaysians are actually running the operations of PAL.

The Score
 

Scoring by team is an insufficient analytical tool if our intent is to find causes and institute reforms. Given the setting and the prevailing cultures, a score by initial training might be enlightening, if we were to agree that initial operating experience shapes the basic mindset. PAL AvSchool, PAFFS, AirLink and the other Gen Av sources, Flight Safety et al, all instill unique attitudes that their current team Training Departments try to modify with varying degrees of success.

One might find that just like Leadership Style (micro or macro, Lucio or Lance), the source of Initial Training has no statistical significance in accidents. Better to check the Ephemeris or the Tide Tables.

Yes it can happen to anyone.

skyhawker,

at times you remind me of miriam defensor santiago and her self-righteousness :}

"Bato-Bato sa Langit Ang Tamaan..."
 

Well, I am very sorry guys if I have offended anyone on this thread but I do not have any intention of doing it.

It is the reason why I always want to be OBJECTIVE. Maybe there's a TRUTH in it.

My CRM dictates that you may always correct me if you feel "unsafe" and "uncomfortable", but take heed, watch-out and learn if I am doing the right thing. I know when to speak and when to listen.

But again and as always...



NO OFFENSE!!!

Pussy Cat
 

Skyhawker you are such a pussy!!

NO OFFENSE!!!

Why do you apologise for everything you say? You might be right or might be wrong, but to apologise for your opinion is just f..k.ng sad.

Pare, grow some balls!!

But again and as always...



NO OFFENSE!!! :E

I remember from reading throught the threads of this forum, that some of the Filipino pilots are among the best known of aviation or ariline industry. So to be best known for your efforts, of course training is an issue. Therefore, I thought that maybe it's due to standard training of filipino FTOs, or ....?

Culture from the Crib
 

I agree with the posters that the culture at PAL seems to put the Capt on a pedestal. If you look at the topic closer, you will find that the root can be the environment way back at PAL Av School (seniority is everything!) and there again can be traced back to the Air Force roots where again...the higher ranking officer is God! Nobody dares to question the man with four stripes even in times of glaring stupidity. The situation is not unique to PAL. CAL and Garuda who have the same Air Force carry overs to a civilian airline, also have similar "zipped" FO problems.

The pinoy pilots seem to be good at diskarte in the event of adversities but we lose our edge due to the cockpit environment. We need to improve on voicing out our position when the four striper seems to be way off!

I've been on the jumpseat of PAL, Cathay and a few other western airlines, you can tell a huge difference coz the FO's in the other airlines never hesitate to voice out or "query" the Capt if the three striper has the slightest discomfort on a situation.

"Ang Tinamaan Ay Nagalit..."
 

Well, the TRUTH is really hurting. Not an OPINION but a FACT.

It is really nice that they know you as PLANESTUPID. It proves me RIGHT.


NO OFFENSE!!! :)

sensible post jens40202!

A wise man knows when to speak.

Openly prescribing solutions to another organization (that one doesn't belong to) and in the process extolling oneself and one's own organization as the answer to somebody else's problem, is, bordering on the miriam santiago antics. Calling out objectivity and bato bato sa langit antics are the least of them all.

When we talk about other organization's problems, we are barking up the wrong tree. Our job is to straighten out our own.

When being smart is the least of them all.

When we talk about other organization's problems, we are barking up the wrong tree.

Our job is to straighten out our own.

When being smart is the least of them all.



How will the Organization know that there is a problem, if no one will bark?

Do you rightfully accept that the problem is You?

the last one, i must admit is the best thing you've said.

does PAL only take locals or will it consider people like me (A320 trainer) with a JAA licence? Am looking for a short term contract somewhere.

barking
 

if the dogs do not bark or whimper, then they must be content with their condition or with the treatment they are receiving from their master.

to proclaim that you, on the outside, can see the problem of an organization and that one, from the inside, cannot see it and act on it is much too presumptous and insulting, to say the least, to those inside.

i maintain that it is better to fight the maladies from within. so those of you with kind hearts and good intentions, please come over and lead the way or some ways. it is not that we, here, are lacking in that area.

wow
 

this is a pissing contest if i ever saw one.
Its amazing how nice the 5j boys are to pal captains when 5j has problems, saying things like we are all brothers in the skies..but when an oportunity arrises .....like counting accidents...:=:=
Parsifal said it best at the begining of this thread: what kind of race are we if we...
the aviation industry is not a pissing contest nor is it a place to see who s got the bigger d..k!! Start acting like gentalmen, something 5j and pal expects from you, most of the people here arent even jet engine yet but think you can start pissing on Philippine airlines....with atitudes like that you'll never make it in the airline industry.. :ugh::ugh:

On Information
 

"INFORMATION is a very powerful tool for a change." A credible information that is derived directly from the source is called A1.

Georgia lost the War from Russia but won the Battle thru INFORMATION (outside pressure). They show the war as it happened.

Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo started the Awakening that eventually sparks the Revolution. Jose Rizal while in Spain received vital information from his friends and felow martyrs in the Philippines. They were subjected to REPRISAL.

Could you consider the PAL 4 incidents especially the one in Butuan as AWAKENING, and the FO's are the MARTYRS who fear REPRISAL due to a MACHO CULTURE?


The only downside of "Information" is the "inability" to process it.


Parsifal, my man, I am sure that you were also trained as a "Leader" but you might have forgotten your "basics" and this will refresh you. You do not need "reinforcement" right now for your company is doing good. You should have thanked Captain HL and Captain RB (Ex-PALers) on how they transformed CebPac to its current status. They were very instrumental for CebPac's SAFETY CULTURE. They were a BIG LOST from PAL but a GREAT GAIN from CebPac.

Do you know why "Old Wine" is very "expensive" ? It tastes great as it gets old.

It is the same thing for "Pilots", but, it is not all about "Flying".

It's About Experience...:)


Thought for today;


"It is the WEAK who are CRUEL. GENTLENESS can only be expected from the STRONG." (Leo Rosten)




NO OFFENSE!!!