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ikon757 8th Feb 2018 09:16

well it looks like things are headed for betterment..

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...safety-rating/

ni si ni no 20th Feb 2018 17:47


The Bad
-Workload has increased lately. Safety Exterior Inspection, Preliminary Cockpit Inspection and Exterior Walkaround are always perfomed by CM1. Additional to that, checking/filling the logbook, signing multiple forms before flight, briefing the cabin crew and performing the emergency intercommunication system check adds to your cockpit preparation and briefing if you’re PF. Transit checks/refueling is now being implemented on various destinations, so you can also add that. Expect multiple change of aircrafts, so be prepared to do again everything mentioned above, once again on every change of aircraft. It gets to you, believe me...
-If weather is ****ty, you’ll do the flying, FOs are not allowed to do so when Xwind exceeds 15k and/or raining.
-FO’s practically only program the MCDU and fly when weather is CAVOK, Captains do everything else.
-If the weather is ****ty (again) you’ll also might have your last minute change of service. Local Captains don’t like to fly into wx and will call roster to fly anywhere else with better wx
-Unless you are wiling to pay 35k + a 20k bond, the upgrade to the 350 is out of the question
-Not the place to plan to be for more than 5 years, locals will eventually fill in the spots
-Pollution in Hanoi can get severe, traffic in Saigon is insane
-Out of the three options available in Vietnam, VNA is the lowest paid
-If you are considering moving with your family, bear in mind that schools are pretty expensive. One kid-ok, two-maybe, three, head to Qatar

The Ugly
-Weather in summer, it gets nasty, expect +TSRA everyday

My point of view, hope it helps... ;-)
Some things never change do they? Had a blast during 7 years.... But I must agree it gets to you. Left a while ago now and miss the country but no really the airline. Its a bitter taste tbh.

yellowcontrails 20th Feb 2018 18:55

Seriously how desperate are you people?

EagleA25 28th Feb 2018 07:15


Originally Posted by yellowcontrails (Post 10059564)
Seriously how desperate are you people?

What do you mean...?

EagleA25 18th Mar 2018 21:37

Rumor has it...
 
So; I was told a large number of local pilots went to see management two months ago and threatened to leave for greener pastures; in the meeting the company offered a pay increase of $45; and supposedly now they are happy 🤣...

I find that hilarious...

arigato 21st Mar 2018 03:42

That is good enough to hold them back temporarily at US $45.00/hour. Like anybody else, nothing is permanent and they are qualified to find a "better fit" somewhere else especially in Vietnam with a booming Aviation Industry.

ia1166 21st Mar 2018 07:06

You can tell the quality by the caav request that we please land on the correct runway recently.

Maybe a small bonus for correct runway landing would be a good idea. Along with a tech log signing payment.

Luke SkyToddler 21st Mar 2018 09:29

Have the locals just had a $45 / hour pay rise? Really?

BAe 146-100 23rd Mar 2018 06:59


So; I was told a large number of local pilots went to see management two months ago and threatened to leave for greener pastures
Threaten to leave to where.... Vietjet ??

I am sure they can go many places with their CAAV lisence that belongs to Vietnam airlines... yes give me a break

bringbackthe80s 3rd Apr 2018 08:14

They are advertising for A350 captains now.

Slarberg 4th Apr 2018 23:52

New Tail Strike due to New Low hours FO!!!

Accident: Vietnam A321 at Hanoi on Apr 1st 2018, tail strike on landing

Cak 5th Apr 2018 22:45

Low hour FO should be no problem. He needs to learn. Problem in VNA is that there is almost nobody (except few expat instructors and maybe just 3 or 4 local instructors) to give that FO a proper training

EagleA25 8th Apr 2018 20:54


Originally Posted by Slarberg (Post 10107671)

I’m sorry, but... I just can’t stop laughing...

One comment on the AvHerald page is SPOT ON: it IS the company and their superior over-lord leaders!
Well, they tried saving peanuts and it will cost them Elephants!

VietJetPilot 11th Apr 2018 15:41

... not so funny, anymore...
 
Well, yesterday the company sent out its monthly Fleet Bulletin, or what I like to call, it’s very own “freak-show-summary”.
As a result of the incident ALL flight ops, including training flights, are allowed using A/T on, except of course when A/T is not available due to MEL; then their “safety conscience” is not as important as on-time-performance. So, when the risk is requiered, it is allowed, but in normal operation a student, Captain or First Officer, are not getting the training requiered.
As this cost the job of an Expat Instructor who not only has been teaching at VNA for a VERY long time but I also highly respect for his skills as a mentor and teacher, I am especially disappointed in the managers as they are supposed to support their Instructors in cases like that and investigate what went wrong, not just apply blame, for it not happen again!
My question: who was the Sim-Instructor that signed the local First Officer off for line Training? Was he also fired? (I am saying HE because Vietnam has NO female instructors in aviation!).
Why was the severe lack of Manual flying skills not addressed at THAT stage already? Was it because he is the son of a management pilot (again)? Is it still ethically and culturally not right to critique a student early enough in training BEFORE he/she becomes a threat?
My point is, there is a SERIOUS problem with managing bad apples in this company, especially the local ones, but you, as an Expat, responsible for everything, are to sit quietly as this is not supposed to concern you!
As someone here said before, it’s a corrupt circus that won’t change... :(

wingdeagle 11th Apr 2018 23:59


Originally Posted by VietJetPilot (Post 10114685)
Well, yesterday the company sent out its monthly Fleet Bulletin, or what I like to call, it’s very own “freak-show-summary”.
As a result of the incident ALL flight ops, including training flights, are allowed using A/T on, except of course when A/T is not available due to MEL; then their “safety conscience” is not as important as on-time-performance. So, when the risk is requiered, it is allowed, but in normal operation a student, Captain or First Officer, are not getting the training requiered.
As this cost the job of an Expat Instructor who not only has been teaching at VNA for a VERY long time but I also highly respect for his skills as a mentor and teacher, I am especially disappointed in the managers as they are supposed to support their Instructors in cases like that and investigate what went wrong, not just apply blame, for it not happen again!
My question: who was the Sim-Instructor that signed the local First Officer off for line Training? Was he also fired? (I am saying HE because Vietnam has NO female instructors in aviation!).
Why was the severe lack of Manual flying skills not addressed at THAT stage already? Was it because he is the son of a management pilot (again)? Is it still ethically and culturally not right to critique a student early enough in training BEFORE he/she becomes a threat?
My point is, there is a SERIOUS problem with managing bad apples in this company, especially the local ones, but you, as an Expat, responsible for everything, are to sit quietly as this is not supposed to concern you!
As someone here said before, it’s a corrupt circus that won’t change... :(

Save face, save face, save face !!! Your questions answered, Vietjetpilot ? Save face above safety, ok ?

ia1166 12th Apr 2018 01:26

Has the TRE lost his job?

Is that confirmed?

VietJetPilot 12th Apr 2018 22:55


Originally Posted by ia1166 (Post 10115205)
Has the TRE lost his job?

Is that confirmed?

He’s suspended by CAAV for now; broker expects him to “just be downgraded” to Captain, but I wouldn’t hold my breath...

ia1166 12th Apr 2018 22:59

There is a lesson for all ex pat captains in there.

wingdeagle 13th Apr 2018 11:36


Originally Posted by ia1166 (Post 10116399)
There is a lesson for all ex pat captains in there.

And which lesson is that, aa1166 if you don't mind sharing ?

EagleA25 13th Apr 2018 13:53


Originally Posted by wingdeagle (Post 10116936)
And which lesson is that, aa1166 if you don't mind sharing ?

What aa means it that you should start looking for greener pastures and take VNA as your last resort, if it is the last you have.
I agree with him, it is NOT a safe place to fly, and you need to have either a good lawyer or a thick skin here. And if you have thoughts about making this a career, it’s not a place to stay!
I hear somewhere they will change Fleet Managers (again); so everything will be happy-happy again, right?
The definition of insanity comes to mind...

I kinda feel for Cap. Son here; he’s good hearted but they put him in a crap position.
If you accept Instructor here, you WILL have political pressure to pass the sons of the management pilots, no matter how incompetent they are!


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