And how long to widebody after left seat 321?

$60,000 USD

Some of the guys been there more than 15 years and it didn't happen. Expect to retire in the aircraft you join.
The brokers will tell you otherwise of course :D

Not true. Some of the long timers are not prepared to part with their cash! Its the principle.

Actually you are incorrect on both points.

All the pilots who have been here 15 years are on the 330 or triple. With the possible exception of 1 a320

All have fleet changed in one way or another.

All the long term 321 skippers have been offered a fleet change if they want.

Ok I´ll change my words then, all of the Capt that have been here for more than 9 years still are in the same type!

We indeed have been offered a fleet change, sure! But did it happen?

Maybe you need a bit of patience. The 350/787 hasnt been here long. The locals have had all the first slots. There has also been a lot of negotiating with the contract companies about the fees.

If its like the 330 then you will be interviwed. You will not automaticaaly get a fleet change amd it wont happen tomorrow.

To be honest if you are that angry you may be dissapointed. There are plenty of 321 guys who passed and pid for the 330. I expect it will happen to those who pass and pay for the 350. But if you have a questionable reputation it wont help you at all.

So just to confirm. Your comment of 15 years and still on type, has now become 9 years and been offered but no date yet.

Quite a large disparity between those 2 statements.

Maybe check the attitude a bit. It will be noticed at work.

nah! don´t worry bout me! Attitude´s fine :ok:

I am sure it is. Something to consider is that until they have replacement skippers on the 321, they wont be fleet changing anybody any time soon. More captains joining the 321 fleet, more fleet crossovers. Simple math. Its not an upgrade by the way, its a fleet change.

So making disparaging remarks and putting new skippers off from joining wont be helping your aspirations at all.

Its shooting yourself in the foot so to speak.

You should maybe think about the bigger picture.

Or if you dont like it here....

Pay your way up?
 

Hey everyone,
So just to get this right, in VNA you might get a shot at 350/787 BUT you'll pay your upgrade, correct? Or is a bond the only thing you'll have to comply with?

Its constantly changing but the principle is you have a bond held for 3 years, you pay for training and you are not paid until you start line training.

It can add up. There are usually enough volunteers so its up to you if you are offered. The deal is offered. Take it or leave it. The next guy down on the seniority will take your spot.

It is what it is. Its the contract world. If you want free type ratings you need to stay away from contract work.

Hello Everyone, I just got offered B787 NTR FO Position, I would like to get info about Assessment, If someone know about details about Assessment (Interview ? SIM ?)
Please kindly send me PM,
I really appreciated, Thank you very much for your help friends :)

Talk2

Are they still requiring a 30,000usd cash bond out your pocket if hired?

Just in case I would like to try after contract they said refund... PILOTHEAD would you have any info about assessment ?? If you know, Pls send me PM Thank you very much.

Yes pilot head

I have no idea about the assessment, and have talked to one of the brokers who told me 30 grand. That's coming in as a current NG captain with over 5000 pic with only ntr first officer positions available in the 78. I can come back later when they come up with something worth my time.

Vietnam contracts offer mostly 6 weeks on, 2 off, and pay less than 3 on, 3 off in China.
Hanoi air pollution levels are on par with many Chinese cities.
Leaving the shorter training phase as the maybe only reason to choose Vietnam over China.

It is official, VNA does not upgrade expats W-B F/Os for a PIC position on the A-321 anymore. They prefer upgrading,low time vietnameses,who are able to keep the gear down for 1H, after taking off .

My advice for the people who is looking for VNA, stay clear of this so called national carrier .

Leaving the gear down for an hour? Why would one do that. Limits the cruise altitude as well :rolleyes:

Unbelievable but true, the 2 geniuses did left the gear down for 1H, before some other VNA airplane told them the LDG was down !

It happened departing narita. They couldn't understand why they missed a climb restriction.

They probably couldn't understand each other either. Pretty loud once you speed up.

3 of them were in the cockpit, departing from Fukuoka

But not as bad as not pressurising an A350!

With the prime minister on bord. He does not want to be flying with vietnameses in the cockpit , anymore .

I forgot, they almost destroyed a brand new A-350, 1 week after receiving it. Hopefully an Airbus TRI was on the RHS to avoid the disaster. The popgun on charge came from the ATR fleet.

NB : an 787 have been AOG for 2 week, because the vietnameses Topgun forgot to set the parking brake in some japanese airport .

Wasn't it the Minister of Transport?

Who cares ? :rolleyes:

Kimono 1950, Why are shooting such BIG BULL****?
Are you frustrated because you fail VNA interview for the upgrade? ( THANKS GOD)
IT is not true that VNA does not upgrade expat anymore!!!
Unless you are kimono 1950...

Bulh**** ????

Dear all
Follow VNA planning about the number of A/C of A330 fleet in next year 2017, we will keep only 4 A/C until 2019. There fore not so many flights for you, VNA suggest you transfer to A350 ASAP because no more change for FO upgrade to Capt A321. Please register to move A350 with Ms L-i before 30th November 2016. ( Interview on 06 and 13 December 2016).
Thank you very much.
Ms L-i

there is the email received by all expat FOs

Now who is the bull**** artist ?

Why do you need to apply, do an interview to move from 330 to 350?
That's the same type rating after all...

Not in VNA, they need your cash ! They want you to do a full type rating ???? !!!!!!

That's weird. In China they even want to fly 330+350 mixed fleet. Fly 330 today, 350 tomorrow.

Like in a good communism country, VNA likes the US $.

Back to the topic; how's the profile of an A321 crew schedule? Lots of layovers? Longer or shorter flights?

I was just wondering if that sour faced jerk off Ms Giang is still working in rostering?

Thank you. And I thought my outfit was bad at that.

VNA is runned by incompetents. All the B-777 expats have been fired , at the same moment 8 A-350 are coming and no SFOs want to go there. ( 55 000 US$ to pay ).

People stay away from this low grade so call flag carrier.

For the gents who were thinking joining VNA, the latest is the following :

All B-777 expats have been fired
No more upgrading to PIC for the expats
More than 70% of the A-330 expat crew will be fired
35 A-321 expat FOs have been fired
The P2F is the norm for the new expats
100 vietnameses cadets will take your RHS
All the low experienced viet FOs will take your LHS

After that, good luck for the agencies to find new idiots to come to this low grade crap ! :ugh::mad: