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Last year, 10 SFO were nominated for the upgrade course and guess what ? They have been fired !
Do not believe these monkeys´ lies ! |
Originally Posted by kimono1950
(Post 10310079)
Last year, 10 SFO were nominated for the upgrade course and guess what ? They have been fired !
Do not believe these monkeys´ lies ! |
I did my upgrade a few months ago. I'm not Italian, or anyone's son. I was never pressured or suggested to pay anything under the table to anyone. My sim partner was also foreign, I'm sure he would say the same thing 100%.
Yes some unprofessional behaviour went down a couple of years ago with how the A321 and the A330 FOs were treated, also some of the A330 captains, I won't deny any of that, but let's not just make up B.S. about how they fired "everyone", and nobody got upgraded without paying black money. Not trying to start a fight with anyone, just stating the facts :) |
Wouldn’t happen to be a aussie would it. |
Not paid under the table??
Well, if when i was upgraded long time ago, i should have pay some extra coins under the table... i would say the same words as you say. I know this facts by first hands. One thing is for sure, if you pay under the table, you will never put ON the table now that you had to pay. Cheers and congrats!! |
Hello there,
I see that Rishworth is advertising positions for B787 FOs with Vietnam airlines. Can somebody give some info about this position? Meaning: average take home pay per month, roster, accomodation, upgrade opportunities, etc? Thanks |
Any info about low hour entry jobs in Vietjet or just in Vietnam ? :D
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Never
Originally Posted by Rotate15
(Post 10352488)
Hello there,
I see that Rishworth is advertising positions for B787 FOs with Vietnam airlines. Can somebody give some info about this position? Meaning: average take home pay per month, roster, accomodation, upgrade opportunities, etc? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Yesse
(Post 10356417)
My friend, the agencies are trying the imposible to bring pilots because many of local guys left to Bamboo Airways. They promise everything, but there are a lot of local guys waiting for the upgrade, and some foreigners flying 787 and 350 already. The real thing is that i don't think that the upgrade opportunity is real if some new guys are coming. They are recruiting a lot of local cadets also, more than 500 starting this 2019, so i don't think that even for the foreigners working for VNA already, will have any chance to be upgraded... is a joke the quantity of lies that the agencies are inventing with VNA. If you just want to be in VNA for a couple of years, i think is ok, but forget about any chance to be upgraded... That is a big lie. About the income, 9200 USD for FO A350 or 787. If you are alone, you can live with 1000 usd plus 1000 more for the rent ( just single room apartment ). If you are with wife and children, forget it... You will just survive month by month. You have to go by yourself to the airport ( 45 minutes from Hanoi or 30 minutes to 1 hour in Saigon ). Forget about drive a car, you will pay 30.000 usd for a car worth 10.000 usd out of VN. There are many good things, but not everything is good. The people is nice, but also the corruption and cheating is everywhere. This is a third world country, beautiful somehow, but not everybody could get use to this. So, as i said, if you just want to try for a couple of years, is perfect. After that i would recomend you to leave as soon as you can, because they just could fire you with 60 days notice, as they did with all the SFO one year ago, and if you don't have plan and savings... Would be a huge problem, because can't do many things with just 60 days. Think well, i am being asked for many friends about these positions also, my answer is the same, stay away ane never listen the lies of the agencies. One of them he came anyway, and after 2 months just left ( and i am talking about a Captain, you could imagine as FO ). I hope this could help. Good luck!! Thank you for the detailed reply. Lots of useful information about the company. Cheers |
Originally Posted by Yesse
(Post 10356417)
My friend, the agencies are trying the imposible to bring pilots because many of local guys left to Bamboo Airways. They promise everything, but there are a lot of local guys waiting for the upgrade, and some foreigners flying 787 and 350 already. The real thing is that i don't think that the upgrade opportunity is real if some new guys are coming. They are recruiting a lot of local cadets also, more than 500 starting this 2019, so i don't think that even for the foreigners working for VNA already, will have any chance to be upgraded... is a joke the quantity of lies that the agencies are inventing with VNA. If you just want to be in VNA for a couple of years, i think is ok, but forget about any chance to be upgraded... That is a big lie. About the income, 9200 USD for FO A350 or 787. If you are alone, you can live with 1000 usd plus 1000 more for the rent ( just single room apartment ). If you are with wife and children, forget it... You will just survive month by month. You have to go by yourself to the airport ( 45 minutes from Hanoi or 30 minutes to 1 hour in Saigon ). Forget about drive a car, you will pay 30.000 usd for a car worth 10.000 usd out of VN. There are many good things, but not everything is good. The people is nice, but also the corruption and cheating is everywhere. This is a third world country, beautiful somehow, but not everybody could get use to this. So, as i said, if you just want to try for a couple of years, is perfect. After that i would recomend you to leave as soon as you can, because they just could fire you with 60 days notice, as they did with all the SFO one year ago, and if you don't have plan and savings... Would be a huge problem, because can't do many things with just 60 days. Think well, i am being asked for many friends about these positions also, my answer is the same, stay away ane never listen the lies of the agencies. One of them he came anyway, and after 2 months just left ( and i am talking about a Captain, you could imagine as FO ). I hope this could help. Good luck!! the other is now on the 350 here in vn on full 350 fo salary. He is very happy slso. seems tonhave been a pretty good move on their part. Worked out very well for them. |
And the upgrade?
Originally Posted by ia1166
(Post 10356484)
i know 2 p2f guys that started a couple of years ago. One is now on full fo salary over in jetstar and very happy. the other is now on the 350 here in vn on full 350 fo salary. He is very happy slso. seems tonhave been a pretty good move on their part. Worked out very well for them. |
Originally Posted by Yesse
(Post 10356603)
And the promised upgrade that all the agencies are talking about? I hope you don't say that this is true. I’m more interested to know what you guys think about the latest revision to the FOM, more specifically where it talks about reserves, the way I understand it is we’re now basically available for the company 24/7, please correct me as I sincerely hope I’m wrong. |
Originally Posted by ia1166
(Post 10356484)
i know 2 p2f guys that started a couple of years ago. One is now on full fo salary over in jetstar and very happy. the other is now on the 350 here in vn on full 350 fo salary. He is very happy slso. seems tonhave been a pretty good move on their part. Worked out very well for them. |
You idiots. VNA for an expat CAN BE a good job if you are a DEC and looking for a change for whatever reason. It's an even better job if you are out of work and looking for a no-fuss, quick and easy interview, induction and check to line. Your salary isn't too bad and it does go a long way if you are a SINGLE guy. Vietnam in general is great for a single guy if you get my drift : ) The package is even better if one of their destinations is your home city or in close proximity to.
As with anything, the above things WILL NOT apply for everyone. If it doesn't, then VNA isn't for you. It certainly IS NOT a good job for a P2F (no P2F program is ever any good). And it certainly IS NOT a good job for an FO looking to upgrade, or for a Captain looking to transition to bigger equipment without paying for it. If you are one of these guys and still join with those aspirations, you are a FOOL. Stop having a cry on this forum when your 'promises' did not eventuate. You just didn't do your homework. What you are doing is tarnishing this OK job for most because you tried to apply a job that was never suited to your situation. |
How much?
Originally Posted by Sunliner81
(Post 10357923)
You idiots. VNA for an expat CAN BE a good job if you are a DEC and looking for a change for whatever reason. It's an even better job if you are out of work and looking for a no-fuss, quick and easy interview, induction and check to line. Your salary isn't too bad and it does go a long way if you are a SINGLE guy. Vietnam in general is great for a single guy if you get my drift : ) The package is even better if one of their destinations is your home city or in close proximity to.
As with anything, the above things WILL NOT apply for everyone. If it doesn't, then VNA isn't for you. It certainly IS NOT a good job for a P2F (no P2F program is ever any good). And it certainly IS NOT a good job for an FO looking to upgrade, or for a Captain looking to transition to bigger equipment without paying for it. If you are one of these guys and still join with those aspirations, you are a FOOL. Stop having a cry on this forum when your 'promises' did not eventuate. You just didn't do your homework. What you are doing is tarnishing this OK job for most because you tried to apply a job that was never suited to your situation. |
Well then don't be the guy that lands on the wrong runway or goes off the side of it. YOU can still be a safe captain here, if other people want to fly to a different standard, then that's their problem not yours. Sh!t is still going to happen occasionally because of the uniquely difficult and dangerous environment that we're in here, especially during rainy season, but honestly I have always found the safety management guys to be fair and decent when dealing with minor *** ups, as long as you made the captain report and didn't try to hide it. If you have a major major **** up that hits the headlines or writes off a jet, sure, you'll probably be gone, same with ALL airlines
Don't be the guy who pays money under the table. Despite your never ending claims to the contrary, you DON'T have to pay a single cent under the table money for anything here including the upgrade, IF they respect you and want to keep you around. If they don't like you, and they don't particularly care if you stay or go, and if they think you have a weak personality and can be squeezed, and especially if they know you're already screwing your colleagues by paying the roster girls for nice roster, and ESPECIALLY if they know you constantly insult them and call them "monkeys" behind their back when you think they're not listening, then maybe they're gonna play money games with you at upgrade time. I wouldn't know :rolleyes: With regard to the 60 days notice, yep, just like every other contract job. If you get a better offer halfway through your 5 year contract, you, too, can give them 60 days notice and walk away with no penalty. And most people do. With regard to the JPA Hanoi pilots, 1) it's JPA not VNA, and 2) I am 99% sure that most of them got given the offer to relocate to HCM and continue their employment. Maybe she didn't take that offer for personal reasons, maybe they didn't make her that offer for reasons of their own? I don't know the person. Every airline in the world opens and closes a base sometimes, and makes people redundant, Cathay did it not so long ago. This place has some issues, but seriously for most people, the crap you keep talking about - 60 days notice period, under-the-table money, failing the upgrade interview - they are NOT problems that affect the majority of pilots here. Just a few guys. For some strange reason. I wonder why :hmm: |
How much money is paying VNA for your coments? Nobody is crying here, just warning other colleages about the risks to left an stable job in another airline for another that could be not safe at all, yes, specially for FO's SFO'S and even Captains, and this is for all fleets, because the corruption there is a fact. corruption there is a fact. i had many SFO's friends who were fired they put the trust on VNA Same as all those other colleagues who were fired with no reasons but don't tell me that VNA is a good place to trust... After 15 years flying there, and as i always say, if you have no job, ok, but if you are flying for any other company, don't even think about VNA, the best thing, stay away. |
Originally Posted by DonVitto
(Post 10356655)
The agency I’m with has not promised any upgrades but they have pretty much guaranteed a raise this year, It hasn’t happened in the past three years, I don’t see it happening this year either. I’m more interested to know what you guys think about the latest revision to the FOM, more specifically where it talks about reserves, the way I understand it is we’re now basically available for the company 24/7, please correct me as I sincerely hope I’m wrong. For anyone getting more than minimum rest. 350 and 787 , and guys on more than 6 and 2. The 321 guys on 6 and 2 or better won't be affected by this. |
So?
Whatever you say. The thing is, would you recommend to any of your friends to work for VNA? Would you encourage any A350 or 787 FO to come to VNA with the hope of being upgraded?? Would you recomend any guy flying for Qatar, Emirates, or any other airline with undefined contract to change for VNA? That's the point!!!!
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If you had ever actually worked in the middlle east you wouldn't even have to ask that question
There's one thing that all the ex QR guys here can agree on, leaving that place and coming here was the best thing we ever did :) |
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Would you encourage any A350 or 787 FO to come to VNA with the hope of being upgraded?? However, I will not discourage captains coming here looking for a tree-change, especially from wannabe legacy airlines such as Qatar and Emirates. It’s all the same ****, just a different environment which is what some captains are looking for. |
Originally Posted by Sunliner81
(Post 10358843)
Yesse, for the third f*king time....NO I DO NOT recommend any FOs to come to VN with the hope of being upgraded. I totally agree with you on this one. However, I will not discourage captains coming here looking for a tree-change, especially from wannabe legacy airlines such as Qatar and Emirates. It’s all the same ****, just a different environment which is what some captains are looking for. So how bad can it be? |
Originally Posted by kimono1950
(Post 10358684)
My posts have been erased !!!!!
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Doubts
Originally Posted by ia1166
(Post 10360036)
i have spoken to a number of guys about coming here. The ones that did are still here. As i am. So how bad can it be? |
Originally Posted by Yesse
(Post 10360227)
Well, with these arguments, i have not anything else to say. I am happy of not being one of your recommended friends to go there. There are a few guys who were really happy due to clean and kiss some soft parts of the managers... Being upgraded to A350, 787 or they were forgiven when they made some huge mistakes... when they were almost out of the business due to the age. They will be always grateful with VNA. I see many of them here. So yes... now i can understand better your good opinion about that shiitty and corrupt company. Thanks God i am far away from there already, but you will never silent my voice to warn other colleagues to make the biggest mistake in their career joining VNA. Better Jetstar or even Vietjet, but VNA, specially for FO's A350 or 787... better forget about this place. Soon or later you will regret!! That's it, and i am saying the truth, and i will repeat 10000 more times!! |
Here is copy of my older post. Sorry if I may sounds like broken record like Yesse and Kimono :-) : For those new to the contract world or living on Planet Delusional like Kimono: - you are on loan by an agency. You are NOT working for THE airline. - as a contractor you may be lucky to upgrade or change fleets as it has happened at VNA in the past, but you cannot expect it. - you are looking for same treatment as the loclas: stay in your coutry and be a part of the locals. - the length of your contract is worthless. The contract can be terminated from BOTH sides within a written time frame. This also gives you as pilot a way out, incase you are not happy where you are. - you are being paid to fly an airplane from A to B and not to get involved in company planning and politics. This is THEIR company, your company is your agent. - in most cases your contract will be honored and you will get paid on time for the services you provide. This is it. Like many airlines, VNA is facing massive challenges. I was there many years. Pros: Locals are mostly very nice, friendly and welcoming. They are a pleasure to work with. Pay is on time. Plenty new birds to fly and Vietnam is simply awsome and offers a very laid back life style. Despite the crazy traffic. Cons: Substandard contract. No pay raise in almost 10 years, while inflation is through the roof. If you bring your family, you will be paycheck to paycheck. Overcrowded ATC environment and diminishing standards on flight deck, making the operation very challenging and extremely stressful. Hope this is good info for those looking for detailed info without emotions involved. |
Yesse, I wonder what in the hell happened to to you at VNA to cause you so much bitterness. You say you were there 15 years....it’s sad to see such bitterness considering you spent a large slice of your life’s journey there. Kind of like a marriage I guess - it didn’t work out for you and there are always two sides to the story. Good luck wherever you are.
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Just a quick question. Is it a fact that when one starts you have to start on a 6/2 or 6/3 and after a year you can apply for a different pattern. Or is it just because I mist the beginning of the year ???
Thanks |
You can "apply" for a different pattern once a year, but it's up to them whether they'll approve it. At the moment and for the foreseeable future, it's highly unlikely they'll approve anything that involves a reduction in working hours. If you want to increase your hours, that'll definitely be approved ...
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Originally Posted by Sunliner81
(Post 10360910)
Yesse, I wonder what in the hell happened to to you at VNA to cause you so much bitterness. You say you were there 15 years....it’s sad to see such bitterness considering you spent a large slice of your life’s journey there. Kind of like a marriage I guess - it didn’t work out for you and there are always two sides to the story. Good luck wherever you are.
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That's why i left, i saw their plans, and i didn't wait to give them the chance to f...ck me like they did with many other guys one year ago. Clear now? Contract flying in Asia 101 - you are always a guest in their country, and when you are surplus to requirements, your ride on ‘their’ wave is over. For FOs this wave is always going to be shorter than the wave for captains. They were lucky to even have one at all, as local FOs can be pumped out of the flying school like a suasage factory. Most took the salary, the experienced gained and moved on. They all signed contracts with 60 day clauses and had their contracts terminated legally. So stop going on about them being ‘fired’, it’s getting old. They were surplus to requirements, for whatever reason. |
Originally Posted by Sunliner81
(Post 10361798)
Very clear. Nothing actually happened to you, you just chose to leave as a pre-caution :ok: Contract flying in Asia 101 - you are always a guest in their country, and when you are surplus to requirements, your ride on ‘their’ wave is over. For FOs this wave is always going to be shorter than the wave for captains. They were lucky to even have one at all, as local FOs can be pumped out of the flying school like a suasage factory. Most took the salary, the experienced gained and moved on. They all signed contracts with 60 day clauses and had their contracts terminated legally. So stop going on about them being ‘fired’, it’s getting old. They were surplus to requirements, for whatever reason. |
So shouldn’t your resentment be directed at the agencies rather than the airline?
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Originally Posted by Sunliner81
(Post 10361866)
So shouldn’t your resentment be directed at the agencies rather than the airline?
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Hi Folks,
a friend of mine contacted me and told me today VNA will charge him for a simulator. He canceled the screening and now should pay 2500 $ for what..... All the cost must be payed by the applicant, Airport Tax, Hotel accomondation and so on.....of course you get some back after you signed the contract.....he just thinking about to fly to VNA, do the screening and flies back home. Could somebody give advises and hints....i told him to call unfit to fly and send a sickness certificate that stated he is not allowed to make a step into a plane....and fly 12 hours... Have somebody same issue with VNA and the agencies Thanks guys.... |
I don't know if I would survive the chain smoking that goes on in the cockpits of vietnam airlines, much less on long haul flights, imagine 4 pilots smoking at the same time, you can smell it from business class from pushback to landing. they will never get FAA approval.
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Originally Posted by Yesse
(Post 10358587)
Whatever you say. The thing is, would you recommend to any of your friends to work for VNA? Would you encourage any A350 or 787 FO to come to VNA with the hope of being upgraded?? Would you recomend any guy flying for Qatar, Emirates, or any other airline with undefined contract to change for VNA? That's the point!!!!
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Originally Posted by Stayabovetheglide
(Post 10364102)
Hi Folks,
a friend of mine contacted me and told me today VNA will charge him for a simulator. He canceled the screening and now should pay 2500 $ for what..... All the cost must be payed by the applicant, Airport Tax, Hotel accomondation and so on.....of course you get some back after you signed the contract.....he just thinking about to fly to VNA, do the screening and flies back home. Could somebody give advises and hints....i told him to call unfit to fly and send a sickness certificate that stated he is not allowed to make a step into a plane....and fly 12 hours... Have somebody same issue with VNA and the agencies Thanks guys.... |
Vietjet vs Jetstar Pacific
Originally Posted by BAe 146-100
(Post 10252812)
Fancy low pay, mels galore, asshole connected FOs low job security with no back up from your management, welcome yo join VNA!!! Mistake or not I have commited myself to work for Vietjet or Jetstar, with upcoming simulator assesments for both of them, but have to make a choice. According to what I hear, I cannot really get a clear picture for who is best. Can you please provide more information? |
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