exactly janafrica, theres no point
but some just like to come here evryday
i pitty them, they have nothing else to do
to go over the icao books?????? damn!!!!:zzz: and extracting stuff!!!1 fuc$#% me
get a life, or a girlfriend
& be man enough to say the names you are trying to get here
by putting this annexes..............:ugh:
'cause i can assure you dont have the balls to give this icao extract in his/her face and tell them their mistake
keep it up

Vietnam A330 Captains opening?
 

Are there some more opening for A330 captains in Vietnam? Any information regarding this? Thanks:)

Jumpstart! You do realize that the company is STILL trying to reduce our salaries! Maybe - and I'm just guessing here- if people like you would begin to act - and operate - a little more like the professionals that you're paid to be, then we might have a stronger argument against these proposed salary reductions. People like you who act and operate like a bunch of monkeys are only making the rest of us look bad.

And, I have no problem addressing this with the person involved, but unlike you I don't feel it necessary to publicly embarass any individual! Maybe, I'm just a little more mature than you! Obviously, I'm more profession!

...nothing like a pissin' contest to lively up your day!!
;-)

'bout time someone said it. good on ya Jimmy, yeuse be my new hero

@ Jakbawer,

As I have heard there won't be any more screenings right now for A330. As I have heard, there are some new expat entries on A330, but they were screened 3 or more months ago, coming now.
In the moment they are doing a lot of training on vietnamese pilots changing to A330, so there might be no capacities for expat entries.
But on long sight I think they will need lots more pilots (expat as well), because there will be more aircrafts coming into the fleet.
So if you wish to join Vietnam Airlines, put your application and wait, I am sure, there will be demand, but if you are looking urgently, maybe VN won't be best decision right now.
Best wishes

Latest A330 news. first expats to upgrade includes a Sheila Instructor from the A320 fleet. Announcement made official after the next A330 delivery.

Vietnam Airlines orders more Airbus aircraft
 

announced at the Paris Air Show that it has placed a firm order with Airbus for 16 more single aisle A321s and signed a Memorandum of Understanding for two additional A350 XWBs.

The latest A321 contract increases the total number of orders placed by Vietnam Airlines for the type to 41, of which 14 have already been delivered. The commitment for the A350 XWBs comes in addition to an existing firm order for 10 aircraft placed in December 2007. Vietnam Airlines has selected the A350-900 variant of the all-new midsize widebody.

"Our new order for the A321 reflects the success we have achieved with the aircraft on both our regional and domestic route networks," said Pham Ngoc Minh, President and Chief Executive Officer of Vietnam Airlines. "In the widebody category, we firmly believe that the A350 XWB will set new standards of efficiency and passenger comfort, making it the right choice to develop our intercontinental route network."

"Vietnam will remain one of the key growth markets in Asia in coming years," said Airbus President and CEO Tom Enders. "With the Airbus single aisle family and the all-new A350 XWB, Vietnam Airlines will be operating one of the most modern and efficient fleets in the region and will be well placed to meet demand on both its Asian and international services."

Vietnam Airlines currently operates a fleet of 52 modern aircraft and flies to 19 domestic and 23 international destinations.

The A321 is the largest member of the Airbus A320 Family. It typically seats 185 passengers in a two-class layout and has a non-stop flying range of 3,000 nautical miles or 5,550 kilometres.

The A350 XWB is Airbus' new medium-capacity long-range widebody product. Capable of flying up to 8,300 nm / 15,400 km, it has the widest fuselage in its category and offers the lowest operating costs and lowest seat mile cost of any aircraft in this market segment.

2 days ago Vietnam Airlines also increased the Firm orders for ATR72 to a total of 13 new 500 series.

Dual Nationality
 

Well, dual nationality can always happen; the true issue is recognition. If you hold citizenship in countries A and B, then A will only recognize your A citizenship and B, your B citizenship. What that means is that you cannot claim any privileges of B citizenship while in A and vice versa, e.g. if arrested in A, B's embassy will not lift much of a finger for you.

If you secure Vietnamese citizenship, that government has no power to revoke your French citizenship although it may require you to renounce it before naturalizing you. (I have no idea what Hanoi requires.)

French law, on the other hand, has provisions for you to recover French citizenship if you have already it in one way or another: in that case, you go for a "réintégration" and not a "naturalisation".

Good luck.

dark clouds over the horizon
 

last week parc and risworth were in vn to talk to headquarters, there is a possible pay cut (something like 300/month) mentioned, nothing fix yet.
intakes of expats just few, TRI and TRE have best chances.
60+ vietnamese cadets are expected this year after graduating. to little capacity to train them all on 320 or ATR72, they are thinking now to introduce 2nd officers on the 777, (can only be in the drivres seat above 20.000ft, can do an emergency descent and a drift down) for the CDG, FRA and DME routes.

Just out of interest. Has anyone got any the details of the DPI contracts or is it just rumour? Has anybody thought of possibility that they maybe on the same money/conditions in the hand and DPI are just taking less of a cut. If that the case, PARC and Rishworth have a alot of explaining to do by the sounds of it.

However, the price for the entry is 10800USD/month for Captains made up of $7800 salary, $1500 for accomodation and $1500 per diems and a total of 7800USD (I believe) for FOs on 320 fleet. If anyone take anything less they will be hurting not only themselves, but all the pilots there now as VN will just lower it all for all of you.... and oh yeah any of you thinking of going the way of lower conditions do think you will be really welcome if that happens. Spread the word.

It is very simple, if DPI are offering less money then just go to PARC or Rishworth. If DPI dont have the numbers on the books they dont have contract. Be careful guys dont go in short. For Gods sake everyone, try to keep your conditions, there must be other ways for the company to save money without screwing the expats.

By the sounds of things you are all working harder than ever too....screw it try for a pay increase (didn't the Vietnamese get a huge pay increase last year?) or some sort of overtime pay. And get any new guys that arrive based in Hanoi. From what I here you are spending half the time in Hanoi....that got to save the company money.

Good luck guys...and happy landings.

Cheers, D.L.

yep
this is an extract from direct personnel's job spec's
it seems now evryone will have to go through them
since theyre the only A. holes to acccept less pay
and its only 2 year term, not 5 like before

shut up kwai lo's... im the best

Sounds like you guys are all screwed then.....
If any one of these guys get through the selecton process what are you going to do? And what happens to the contracts that you are all on before these f#$kwi#$ signed one of these new contracts at the lower rate.
Here's a thought, can you change your contract companies if VN only give you one choice? Most of these contracts stop you from legaly working for another contract company, so lets face it you are now really screwed..... actually this could mean that VN are scewed because you wont be allowed to work for them legally for another company. So if PARC/Rishworth hold out on VN with the higher amount, and they threaten legal action against you for changing companies then you might be right or well... there are other jobs out there guys and the industry will get better. It sounds like VN wouldn't know when they are on a good thing if it came and bit them on the arse. As they say Pay peanuts...get monkeys

Pprune Moderator please note. The above statement is a threat by any stretch of the imagination and the post should be wiped and appropriate advice given to the author by the Moderators. :=

Dear Ms Tee Emm, What "threat", have I upset you because you are one of the pilots going there at the lower rate instead of holding out for the established rate that the other companies are offering, or are you just from DPI? Put yourself in their shoes. would you be there saying oh great come on over thanks for the pay cut...get real!
I am looking at what the pilots there are having to deal with....increased hours and no pay increase and cuts in conditions for years. Look at the previous posts by many many of the pilots there. They are copping it from not only the company that is trying everything to screw only the expat pilots (from what I understand the locals have not been asked to take any sort of a paycut in any department) but now from another company coming in and undercutting the contract companies that have been there supplying pilots for years. Not forgeting that VN made millions of $ in profit the first quarter of this year!!!
No threat, just letting prospective pilots thinking of going there that they have a choice. Apply to a contract company which is quite willing to pay the pilots they have on their books less than what the pilots there already are being paid....yeah great way to look after your clients who are making you money or just to go to the companies that have been established there for years and give VN no choice than to go back to them.
So if you feel threatened then well.... I am sorry to have upset you so much, but I have been watching this post for months and I am amazed that a pilot would come up with such rubbish as your post....
As has been said for years....Pilots are their own worst enemies. And you are not helping what has been happening for a long time.

p.s. no "appropriate advise" so far.

:ok: Agree!!!!!!! :ok:

PARC to RAL? I've been here 5 years and i changed from RAL to PARC 2 years ago along with 4 others. I cannot recall anyone going the other way. I do know most pilots would jump at changing from ral to parc. Can't be done now though. The long and short of it. PARC are so much better. Everyone who has asked for a 5 and 3 roster with PARC has got it. RAL tell their guys they have to be here a year first. Now the door is shut on reduced rosters. All the parc guys got what they wanted. The RAL guys are left hanging, apart from a couple. Go Figure. It's all about the commission.

An old contract pilot once told me that PARC pilots tend to stay with them and only accept other PARC contracts. Now i'm there i understand totally.

Interesting reading here though. I'm born and bred australian adrian. Have we shut the door on all the kiwis coming over or did you get in early enough?

And how's the head?

Hey Jota,
Thanks for the :ok:

Just in case it turned out to be a bad decision....like after a bad night out.... can one get out and go home before the 3/5 yrs of the contract are up. Would there be a penalty or a notice period for this?
thanks

jaarrgh, Your specific contract will address this issue, the notice period is 62 days, some agencies will levy some type of penalty if leaving prior to the end of your contract period, others drop this penalty clause after being on line for six months.


Cheers, D.L.

Thanks for that DL, presumably one gets to see the proposed contract early on in the process before sims etc?
A few questions if you have the patience:...

My wife a young daughter are keen to come out for the duration. As far as keeping them on the straight and narrow are there sports clubs/hotels that one can become a member of and use the pool? Is HCMC that kind of place...?

Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?

And finally not to re open the debate on days off from last year, but is it 7 days per 6 weeks of your rotation or 7 days per calendar month adjusted for the 2 weeks you are away (10.5 per 6 weeks)?

thanks again and any info very welcome.

hope they reopen the recruitment soon.... summer is over in the UK!

Days off are exactly as i said earlier. You get 7 local days off per month, you must have a 36 hour break every 7 days or a 60 hour break in 10 days. the 7 days doesn't start at midnight but when you sign on so in effect it's not 7 days but 168 hours.

Rotation, vacation or whatever you want to call your 2 weeks off all counts as a day off, as does sick days. The definition of a day off is " a day free of all duty ", notice the lack of pre-notified here, so a sick day counts as a day off.

So if you return from rotation or vacation or whatever you want to call it on the 3rd, you will only get 4 more days off that month. If you return from rotation on the 7th, and leave on the 23rd of the next month, you will get no days off, but you will get a 36 hour break every 168 hours, or in effect 1 day a week, so 5 days in total.

It is quite normal to work 8 days before you go on rotation. They will owe you a 60 hour break, which will be your first 2 days of rotation/vacation. But they will be vacation days, not days off.

Some of the new frontier guys are just figuring this out. As i said it's not as utopian as you might think.

On a different subject, i heard that VAC are not accepting apps from PARC or RAL for line capts so what are you asking the new guys to do. Have no job or income to support their families because taking a slightly lower salary will upset the guys already there? It's not their fault. It's the contract world. We all have families to support.

ia1166, You must be full as a boot mate.

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"..born and bred aussie.."???
You're a pommie mate! Next ya'll be wavin' the American flag and claimin' yur from Georgia!

This country has more things to do than you can imagine, too numerous to mention, really depends on how the culture shock affects your girls. Do they like a bit of adventure? How well do they do out of their normal element, the people here are extremely friendly and helpful to foreigners, their personal safety is not an issue here, a very safe place.

Visas can be sorted out for your family by local agents, they last six months.

And yes, plenty of health clubs, pools and deserted beaches!

Cheers, D.L.

Thanks guys for the responses. The 'time at home' routine is clearly variable but I get the gist of it (just).
The girls are adventurous for sure. The 10 month old one too much for her own good!
Important to go in eyes open. Difficult to get a sense of when it may start again but registered and keeping my ears to the ground.

The nearest decent beach is 4-5 hours away. I'm single and from what i see there isn't all that much to do for a wife and children in Saigon. It's aheavily polluted city. Schools cost 12,000 us a year per child. There are quite a few guys here who have sent there families home and are on 5 on 3 off rosters or 4 and 4 or 4 and 2.

My advice would be to come out on your own first, bring the wife over to look around once you're on line and make a decision on the costs of living here. If your single it's cheap, if your out here with the wife and kids, big house etc, it can get a bit expensive. It depends on what you want from it i guess.

IA1166, the point that I was trying to make without "threatening" (see previous post) anyone was that if DPI do not have anyone on their books to offer VN.....then they dont have a contract and it would force VN to continue to go to Rishworth/PARC for their crew requirements only. Then everyone wins, including the families.

And by the sounds of it you are a TRE, and I assume you are on a higher salary. However out of interest, have the TRE's salaries been looked at the same way as the line pilots. I am just looking at this whole situation with you guys. This could be the start...."thin edge of the wedge" as they say.

Do you know if Rishworth or PARC have been asked by any of their other overseas contracts to reduce the pay of their pilots? As I said VN actually made a profit and are ordering more aircraft, there must be other companies around doing alot worse. It sounds like you guys are being well and truly scammed.

Right now, from an A330 skippers point of view, the thought is that Parc is sending out emails to people on it's books just trying to give everyone that warm wet feeling when in fact they have absolutely no idea when or if, the next course of 330 drivers is going to be asked for.

Having said that the silence from Rishworth is deafening !!

Vietnam Airlines forecasts profit of US$1.6m
 

Date : 09 Jul 2009 1514 hrs

HANOI: Vietnam Airlines has estimated a pre-tax profit of 1.6 million dollars for the first half, despite the global downturn and H1N1 flu pandemic hitting global air travel.

The figure compares with a loss of 4.65 million dollars in the same period last year, which was blamed on higher fuel prices, which surged in the first six months before diving as the economic crisis set in.

In a press statement on Thursday, the flag carrier forecast revenue in the January-June period was 637 million dollars, compared with 680 million dollars last year.

The airline's business "had been seriously influenced by the world economic crisis and the type A (H1N1) epidemic... which reduced the demand for travelling by foreign passengers," it said.

H1N1 flu, classed as a pandemic by the World Health Organization, has infected more than 94,000 people and killed more than 400 around the world.

Despite the challenging global environment, Vietnam Airlines said it transported 0.6 per cent more passengers, totalling 4.5 million, during the first half.

The carrier added that it did not have to reduce staff while many other international airlines had to lay off employees and scale down operations.

For the full-year 2008 it reported a pre-tax profit of 14 million dollars, picking up in the second half as fuel costs fell.

Vietnam Airlines expects to triple its fleet of 50 aircraft by 2020, and officials say it is seeking to become one of the region's leading carriers.

from channelnewsasia

ANY oppurtunity for airframe and powerplant tech in vietnam airlines
 

Hi ,,,

M an aircraft tech working in south asia.. I would be glad to have the info if vietnam airline is recruting engineers or technicians rite now.. M working in A320with V2500 engine in line.

Thanks.

Good day.

Hi everyone,

anyone here who is flying the ATR 72 for Vietnam Airlines?

need some insider info for a major decision!!

thx

What is the Cpt. pay?
What roster?
Any benefits?
Commuting possible?
Rishworth offer currently, will check Parc!

All answers are in the thread (somewhere), I doubt you could find an easier going operation, I think they fly around 35 hours a month, home every night.

Good luck, D.L.

35 hrs a month??? are you kidding? if not, please don´t call it work.....:)

It seems that the 'new' deal for new contracts is a 10% reduction on the basic salary for the FIRST TWELVE MONTHS ONLY, and then returning to the usual rate. All other conditions remain the same.

Vietnam Airlines
 

Hello. I'm a A320 TRE and I'm thinking to move to Vietnam Airlines. How about the roster 4 on/4 off?
I've received some information (PARC) and it seems to be good? I think this roster is interesting, but do they really offer this roster?
I'm thinking to take my family (I have 2 child, 4 & 5 years old) if they don't offer me the 4/4 roster. What about schools and houses in HCMC.
Thanks

"All other conditions stay the same"?!?!?!? If they were at all interested/serious about saving money they would put any new starters in Hanoi for a year and they would save $1000s every week and just leave the salaries as they are. Then everyones happy, unless there was a person getting a kickback from the min number of rooms being used in Hanoi every night. But surely that wouldn't happen as the government is doing everything in their power to stop corruption.....or am I just being naive :rolleyes: