SIA pilots stand its grounds....MOM to help !
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lost cause
Like the old dude said.
SINGAPORE will be: First class service and products at
3rd world prices...
So fellas, no need to name call here..
Ang Moh wil always out class the locals, that is the word
of the lord.
Nice try : but looks like the overbearing support for 'white' has
prevailed again..
SQ will earn another 1billion , and manage to get away with
wage cut and retrenchment.
SINGAPORE will be: First class service and products at
3rd world prices...
So fellas, no need to name call here..
Ang Moh wil always out class the locals, that is the word
of the lord.
Nice try : but looks like the overbearing support for 'white' has
prevailed again..
SQ will earn another 1billion , and manage to get away with
wage cut and retrenchment.
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Perhaps not the wisest move, posting on Pprune after a couple of drinks and a heated discussion. However, even a little reflection would have produced the same message but without the expletive.
Readers will note that the thread is not currently snowed under with local Singaporean input, refuting my imputation of supine complaisance. Further, against a background of quickly rising traffic and renewed world-wide air transport optimism, a local spokesperson for Alpa-s is quoted on another Far East thread as saying the following:
"Our members are in favour of this (pay reduction of 16.5% for captains, 11% for first officers). It's a done deal. We have an in principal agreement with SIA," said Captain Perinpanayagam James, vice-president of industrial relations for the union.” He said the agreement was reached late on Friday (27 June 2003).
Well he sounds pretty pleased with himself but this doesn’t sound like a deal to me – I’d say it’s more like the abject capitulation of inbred, supine complaisance.
Moving on; B Swan, why are you amazed by my post? Has the mild expletive offended your delicate sensibilities or do you fundamentally disagree that the Singaporean locals are as I describe? You may be interested to know that even Lee Kwan Yew thinks they are as I say (though he hasn’t consulted me on the matter) and also thinks they need – dare I say it – read no further if you may be shocked – a kick up the a*se to shake them out of their institutional mind sets and propel them towards a more proactive, assertive and “out of the box” stance.
Finally, may I also ask you to explain what on earth has a notional origin registered on Pprune got to do with the accuracy or otherwise of an individual post? I think Rockhound neatly dispelled any such notion with his observation that John Barnes was unlikely to be making his apposite postings from Belgium.
Readers will note that the thread is not currently snowed under with local Singaporean input, refuting my imputation of supine complaisance. Further, against a background of quickly rising traffic and renewed world-wide air transport optimism, a local spokesperson for Alpa-s is quoted on another Far East thread as saying the following:
"Our members are in favour of this (pay reduction of 16.5% for captains, 11% for first officers). It's a done deal. We have an in principal agreement with SIA," said Captain Perinpanayagam James, vice-president of industrial relations for the union.” He said the agreement was reached late on Friday (27 June 2003).
Well he sounds pretty pleased with himself but this doesn’t sound like a deal to me – I’d say it’s more like the abject capitulation of inbred, supine complaisance.
Moving on; B Swan, why are you amazed by my post? Has the mild expletive offended your delicate sensibilities or do you fundamentally disagree that the Singaporean locals are as I describe? You may be interested to know that even Lee Kwan Yew thinks they are as I say (though he hasn’t consulted me on the matter) and also thinks they need – dare I say it – read no further if you may be shocked – a kick up the a*se to shake them out of their institutional mind sets and propel them towards a more proactive, assertive and “out of the box” stance.
Finally, may I also ask you to explain what on earth has a notional origin registered on Pprune got to do with the accuracy or otherwise of an individual post? I think Rockhound neatly dispelled any such notion with his observation that John Barnes was unlikely to be making his apposite postings from Belgium.
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Appalling Greed by SIA.
Haul in the profits 12 months a year for last ??? years, as soon as this profit dwindles temporirily, Sackings, forced unpaid leave / days off.
Havnt they put any money aside for times like this.
Dam Gestpo Management.
Haul in the profits 12 months a year for last ??? years, as soon as this profit dwindles temporirily, Sackings, forced unpaid leave / days off.
Havnt they put any money aside for times like this.
Dam Gestpo Management.
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Now that Alpa-s has capitulated at the eleventh hour, in the usual manner and declined to challenge the government imposed SIA pay cuts, by presenting a vigorous counter case in the IAC, no pay leave and 16.5/11% pay cuts can be quickly implemented and presumably Alpa-s spokesman Captain Perinpanayagam James can prepare himself for a “coincidental” move into senior flight ops management in the next couple of months.
What is the case, however, of the overseas based pilots in London? Will they similarly accept a gross abrogation of their (different) contract without such as a whimper, or will they see SIA in court?
I would suspect the latter, as their case would be uncontrovertibly winnable, pleaded in either English or European Courts, before judges unfettered by thoughts of government renewed three year judicial contracts.
When SIA quietly back down on this matter and London based remuneration remains untouched, what then of the SIA CEO’s protestation that “all our pilots will be treated in the same manner” (ie badly)?
What is the case, however, of the overseas based pilots in London? Will they similarly accept a gross abrogation of their (different) contract without such as a whimper, or will they see SIA in court?
I would suspect the latter, as their case would be uncontrovertibly winnable, pleaded in either English or European Courts, before judges unfettered by thoughts of government renewed three year judicial contracts.
When SIA quietly back down on this matter and London based remuneration remains untouched, what then of the SIA CEO’s protestation that “all our pilots will be treated in the same manner” (ie badly)?
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high cirrus All Overseas based Pilots have been sent individual letters to sign agreeing to cuts. The obvious conclusion can be drawn should any not sign.!!!
I doubt if any will take any action even those ex BA on big fat pensions!! As few are paying any tax on either their Pensions or their SIA salaries a lot of them are rather glad to work less each month and they will hardly notice the paycut.
As you say what a capitulation by AlphaS but it is par for the course and not totally unexpected.
I doubt if SIA ever expected us to take a 25% Paycut and they probably cannot believe it to see that a 16.5% paycut has been accepted without any real formula in place for it to be ever restored in full!!
The Generals and the new CEO will be getting a huge Bonus for this coup d'etat and I just bet the Champagne is flowing on the 4th Floor and AH!!
I doubt if any will take any action even those ex BA on big fat pensions!! As few are paying any tax on either their Pensions or their SIA salaries a lot of them are rather glad to work less each month and they will hardly notice the paycut.
As you say what a capitulation by AlphaS but it is par for the course and not totally unexpected.
I doubt if SIA ever expected us to take a 25% Paycut and they probably cannot believe it to see that a 16.5% paycut has been accepted without any real formula in place for it to be ever restored in full!!
The Generals and the new CEO will be getting a huge Bonus for this coup d'etat and I just bet the Champagne is flowing on the 4th Floor and AH!!
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Re: Posting of 27 June 2003
Bit behind the times as usual eh, SIA senior management, guiding the destiny of the national carrier and purportedly at the forefront of day-to-day trends and developments?
What do you say now in respect of your statements, in light of Microsoft now eschewing share options in favour of ordinary share allocation to directors and employees and, according to IHT, WSJ etc, leading the field in US business ethics and shareholder concern:
“Singapore Airlines (SIA), which is in the midst of a wage-restructuring and retrenchment exercise, will ask shareholders to erase limits on the number of share options it can issue to senior executives. The move, it said, will boost its efforts to retain management talent.”
“…(share option schemes) are an integral and important component of a compensation plan to attract and retain quality executives in an increasingly competitive environment.”
Obviously nothing to do with snouts in the trough!
Bit behind the times as usual eh, SIA senior management, guiding the destiny of the national carrier and purportedly at the forefront of day-to-day trends and developments?
What do you say now in respect of your statements, in light of Microsoft now eschewing share options in favour of ordinary share allocation to directors and employees and, according to IHT, WSJ etc, leading the field in US business ethics and shareholder concern:
“Singapore Airlines (SIA), which is in the midst of a wage-restructuring and retrenchment exercise, will ask shareholders to erase limits on the number of share options it can issue to senior executives. The move, it said, will boost its efforts to retain management talent.”
“…(share option schemes) are an integral and important component of a compensation plan to attract and retain quality executives in an increasingly competitive environment.”
Obviously nothing to do with snouts in the trough!
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Yep, I’ll bet LKY downwards cannot but marvel at how useless, weak and pathetic Alpa-s surely is. The champagne must be flowing and the chortles unrestrained at the oligarchy’s own chutzpah in levering 16.5% and 11% permanent pay reductions out of their captains and first officers and, to add insult to injury, including a compulsory no-paid leave scheme, of unspecified duration, which will no doubt be “adjusted” to achieve the required annual profit profile.
You guys must be crazy!
And would anyone now care to seriously challenge my earlier assertion of “supine complaisance”?
You guys must be crazy!
And would anyone now care to seriously challenge my earlier assertion of “supine complaisance”?
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Just off the 'phone to a friend who is still in Singapore, with SIA and he says the deal is, 2 days per month unpaid leave, only if required and a profit of S$300m will get some of the pay back and a profit of S$500m will get all of their pay back but I forgot to ask if this was a one off arrangement or if the company could play the same game next year.
