China Airlines are recruiting expats.
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Good question. For what it's worth, a friend (newly-hired) recommends an agency as they respected the agency hires' terms and C.O.S. but not those of their direct hires.
Ultimately, of course, your call.
Ultimately, of course, your call.
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Thanks a lot for the info, can you confirm that the per diem is really $900 ??? I'm dealing with the agency on this one and would really like to know the score, thanks in advance.........
Thanks a lot for the info, can you confirm that the per diem is really $900 ??? I'm dealing with the agency on this one and would really like to know the score, thanks in advance.........
china airlines package
From a recruiting agency. You now have to be typed rated on type.
As you can see, vastly different pay scales and conditions !!
1. BASE OF OPERATION Taipei
2. OPERATOR China Airlines
3. REQUIREMENT B747-400, A340, B737-800, A300-600 First Officers
4. COMMENCEMENT DATE ASAP
5. DURATION 2 Years (Renewable)
6. SALARY
B747-400 / A340 First Officer
B737-800 / A300-600 First Officer Per month (pro rata)
USD 3,400
USD 3,000
7. PER DIEM
B747-400/A340 USD500 / month
B737-800/A300-600 USD400 / month
8. FLYING HOURS 70 hours per month. Hours in excess of 70 flying hours will be paid at the following rate per hour :-
B747-400 / A340 USD 60
B737-800 / A300-600 USD 55
9. TAX Pilots are liable to pay Taiwan Tax. This will be approx. 10-20% based on dependants and tax planning.
10. DAYS OFF 8 consecutive days free of duty per month.
11. ANNUAL LEAVE Annual leave shall accrue at the as follows :-
* After serving one year continuously, eight days annual leave will be provided.
* After serving more than three years and less than five years, twelve days annual leave will be provided.
* After serving more than five years and less than ten years, fifteen days annual leave will be provided.
* After ten years of service, one more annual leave day will be added per year subject to a maximum of 30 days.
12. SICK LEAVE / OTHER LEAVE
5 Sick days per annum.
Other personal/unpaid leave may also be requested if required
13. ACCOMMODATION - Hotel accommodation or equivalent at all layover stations.
- Accommodation to be of international airline standard.
- Suitable hotel accommodation at base will be provided during training.
- If based in Taipei, an accommodation allowance of USD 700 per month will be provided after completion of initial training or alternatively China airlines will provide suitable accommodation.
14. GROUND TRANSPORTATION China Airlines shall provide:
- All ground transportation to/from airfields at layover stations other than base.
15. UNIFORMS
Identification, uniform and crew insignia provided by China Airlines
16. AIR TRANSPORTATION / TRAVEL BENEFITS China Airlines shall provide:
- Positive air transportation at commencement and termination of contract.
- Concession travel for pilot and family members in accordance with regulations. Full details provided on request including free tickets, unlimited ID90, ID75 etc for pilot and family members.
16.
17. INSURANCE
- Personal Accident/Emergency Insurance for the full duration of the contract.
- BUPA private medical and loss of licence insurance will also be available at discounted rates.
18. SCREENING IN TAIPEI Tickets, Hotel, Ground Transportation provided and per diem allowance of USD40 while in Taipei. Screening will take approx. 3 days in Taipei
19. EXPERIENCE CRITERIA Total Time ¡V 1500 Hours +
ATP with Type rating on Aircraft Type
- Maximum Age ¡V 42
- Ideally have flown on type within last 12 months and completed simulator check on type within last 6 months
20. UPGRADE TO CAPTAIN China Airlines may consider Upgrade to captain based on the following conditions :-
„h At least 5 year of service
„h Manpower requirements
„h Job performance
„h Subject to the regulations and bylaws of China Airlines
Glad to see someone making a buck!
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As you can see, vastly different pay scales and conditions !!
1. BASE OF OPERATION Taipei
2. OPERATOR China Airlines
3. REQUIREMENT B747-400, A340, B737-800, A300-600 First Officers
4. COMMENCEMENT DATE ASAP
5. DURATION 2 Years (Renewable)
6. SALARY
B747-400 / A340 First Officer
B737-800 / A300-600 First Officer Per month (pro rata)
USD 3,400
USD 3,000
7. PER DIEM
B747-400/A340 USD500 / month
B737-800/A300-600 USD400 / month
8. FLYING HOURS 70 hours per month. Hours in excess of 70 flying hours will be paid at the following rate per hour :-
B747-400 / A340 USD 60
B737-800 / A300-600 USD 55
9. TAX Pilots are liable to pay Taiwan Tax. This will be approx. 10-20% based on dependants and tax planning.
10. DAYS OFF 8 consecutive days free of duty per month.
11. ANNUAL LEAVE Annual leave shall accrue at the as follows :-
* After serving one year continuously, eight days annual leave will be provided.
* After serving more than three years and less than five years, twelve days annual leave will be provided.
* After serving more than five years and less than ten years, fifteen days annual leave will be provided.
* After ten years of service, one more annual leave day will be added per year subject to a maximum of 30 days.
12. SICK LEAVE / OTHER LEAVE
5 Sick days per annum.
Other personal/unpaid leave may also be requested if required
13. ACCOMMODATION - Hotel accommodation or equivalent at all layover stations.
- Accommodation to be of international airline standard.
- Suitable hotel accommodation at base will be provided during training.
- If based in Taipei, an accommodation allowance of USD 700 per month will be provided after completion of initial training or alternatively China airlines will provide suitable accommodation.
14. GROUND TRANSPORTATION China Airlines shall provide:
- All ground transportation to/from airfields at layover stations other than base.
15. UNIFORMS
Identification, uniform and crew insignia provided by China Airlines
16. AIR TRANSPORTATION / TRAVEL BENEFITS China Airlines shall provide:
- Positive air transportation at commencement and termination of contract.
- Concession travel for pilot and family members in accordance with regulations. Full details provided on request including free tickets, unlimited ID90, ID75 etc for pilot and family members.
16.
17. INSURANCE
- Personal Accident/Emergency Insurance for the full duration of the contract.
- BUPA private medical and loss of licence insurance will also be available at discounted rates.
18. SCREENING IN TAIPEI Tickets, Hotel, Ground Transportation provided and per diem allowance of USD40 while in Taipei. Screening will take approx. 3 days in Taipei
19. EXPERIENCE CRITERIA Total Time ¡V 1500 Hours +
ATP with Type rating on Aircraft Type
- Maximum Age ¡V 42
- Ideally have flown on type within last 12 months and completed simulator check on type within last 6 months
20. UPGRADE TO CAPTAIN China Airlines may consider Upgrade to captain based on the following conditions :-
„h At least 5 year of service
„h Manpower requirements
„h Job performance
„h Subject to the regulations and bylaws of China Airlines
Glad to see someone making a buck!
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The whole thing sounds pretty suspect. Different pay and conditions depending on who you apply to.
I have heard from rishworth they are only looking for 15 F/O's. any news on that???
I have heard from rishworth they are only looking for 15 F/O's. any news on that???
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Hello friends,
To all of the China Airlines' candidates:
My suggestion is that if you are currently employed and your company is not in the imediate danger, STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
There will be no upgrade opportunities for the expat FO, you either join as a direct captain or you will sit as a FO till your contract expire. We hired about 20 cruise captains 3 years ago and they were told they would be upgrade in 3 years time. But it has yet to happen, probably never will. Yes, they will give a promising future during an interview, but the reality is " NEVER".
This company has a poor management and they will sack any pilots they deemed unfit. I am confident that my assessment about China Airlines is 100% accurate having been with CAL for 6 years as a 747-400 FO. Remember this, I am a Taiwanese-American and I see no future with this company as I am leaving for NJA in the US. Need more info??? pm me.
good luck
To all of the China Airlines' candidates:
My suggestion is that if you are currently employed and your company is not in the imediate danger, STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
There will be no upgrade opportunities for the expat FO, you either join as a direct captain or you will sit as a FO till your contract expire. We hired about 20 cruise captains 3 years ago and they were told they would be upgrade in 3 years time. But it has yet to happen, probably never will. Yes, they will give a promising future during an interview, but the reality is " NEVER".
This company has a poor management and they will sack any pilots they deemed unfit. I am confident that my assessment about China Airlines is 100% accurate having been with CAL for 6 years as a 747-400 FO. Remember this, I am a Taiwanese-American and I see no future with this company as I am leaving for NJA in the US. Need more info??? pm me.
good luck
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kwaiyai,
one has options....that is not to accept this kind of conditions, because if one does, there will be soon no options at all..
It is a matter of self-worth and that is diminishing every-time one accepts an underpaid job in aviation. It will affect the ability to negotiate good jobs outside of aviation, should you one day get to that point.
Accepting bad terms to begin with is a very short-sighted solution with with long term bad consequences.
Cheers
one has options....that is not to accept this kind of conditions, because if one does, there will be soon no options at all..
It is a matter of self-worth and that is diminishing every-time one accepts an underpaid job in aviation. It will affect the ability to negotiate good jobs outside of aviation, should you one day get to that point.
Accepting bad terms to begin with is a very short-sighted solution with with long term bad consequences.
Cheers
Last edited by Avius; 26th Aug 2002 at 16:51.
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Avius,
Obviously apologies if I offended which was not my intention, I agree too that you have to draw the line somewhere. I am however one of many no doubt trying to get a foot on the ladder so am prepared to start under not so great conditions. If that sounds daft Tough.
Obviously apologies if I offended which was not my intention, I agree too that you have to draw the line somewhere. I am however one of many no doubt trying to get a foot on the ladder so am prepared to start under not so great conditions. If that sounds daft Tough.
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Well call me ignorant but US$4800/month sounds like a helluva lot of money from where I sit.
Those of you who are saying this is such a bad deal, could you maybe post a comparison of how this compares to other airlines, or maybe what the expected going rate should be for this kind of position?
Those of you who are saying this is such a bad deal, could you maybe post a comparison of how this compares to other airlines, or maybe what the expected going rate should be for this kind of position?
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kwaiyai,
I'm not offended at all. After all it is free economy, but I tried to make a point, that accepting bad conditions to begin with is the first step to even worse conditions.....
Besides, I'm in the same boat like you....looking to get a step on the ladder.
As a TYPERATED and experienced B747-400 pilot I have obviously paid my dues along the way and $4800/month is not what would be called good conditions under a limited time CONTRACT. My reference was more towards the $3400 offered through some agencies.
CAL is more likely to respect and uphold contract conditions, when you are employed through an agency. On a direct hire basis, they can do whatever they want, and they will. I would not depend that much on the promised $4800/month....
Good luck !!!
I'm not offended at all. After all it is free economy, but I tried to make a point, that accepting bad conditions to begin with is the first step to even worse conditions.....
Besides, I'm in the same boat like you....looking to get a step on the ladder.
As a TYPERATED and experienced B747-400 pilot I have obviously paid my dues along the way and $4800/month is not what would be called good conditions under a limited time CONTRACT. My reference was more towards the $3400 offered through some agencies.
CAL is more likely to respect and uphold contract conditions, when you are employed through an agency. On a direct hire basis, they can do whatever they want, and they will. I would not depend that much on the promised $4800/month....
Good luck !!!
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Well $4800 sure doesn't sound like a lot to fly at China Airlines. I have freinds who are earning $9000 USD to do the same job. Thats BEFORE housing allowance.
Just to let you know...
Just to let you know...
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Avius,
I see your point ,I spent this afternoon upside down at 6000 feet in a T1 with an instructor friend of mine who also works for a Big Airline and gave me alot of wise info about this Thanks.
Regards.
I see your point ,I spent this afternoon upside down at 6000 feet in a T1 with an instructor friend of mine who also works for a Big Airline and gave me alot of wise info about this Thanks.
Regards.
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I'm getting paid twice more flying B747 on contract, in addition to getting 10 days(in a row) off permonth, which in reality always turn out to be 14 days off in a row. If I ever have to fly with the Chinese captains who does not have any CRM concept in their mind, I'd rather jump off a building.:o
