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Old 28th Aug 2020, 19:29
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I was supposed to do a 5 years contract , which was finished about 3 years in 2017 ( A330 fleet ).

The viet is a liar by nature, never forgot it.

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Yeah your credibility is instantly lost when you say things such as the viets never lie... just LOL... thanks for providing us with a good joke though.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 21:56
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Originally Posted by balboa1968 View Post
I was supposed to do a 5 years contract , which was finished about 3 years in 2017 ( A330 fleet ).

The viet is a liar by nature, never forgot it.
The a330s were finished when the 350 arrived. Plenty of option to convert to the 350. If you didn’t take them up on it then you wouldn’t have had a job.

5 year contract with termination option for both parties if you ever read it properly. I am sure you were treated in accordance with your contract.

Or are you suggesting you should have been paid for 2 years with no plane to fly????

Watching the wind down of the 330 was like watching paint dry. You had plenty of warning.

To be honest you are accusing them of lying, when in fact you were treated as per your contract that you signed as having read and understood. If you didn’t take up the A350 offer, or failed the course, then you would have been given 2 months termination.

If this is your grounds for an accusation of lying, its a joke.

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Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 View Post
Yeah your credibility is instantly lost when you say things such as the viets never lie... just LOL... thanks for providing us with a good joke though.
I never said Viets donít lie. And thats a bit racist anyway because everyone lies. Just look around your own country pal.

What I said was VN has never lied to me. The contract has been followed, salary correct and on time. Always.

You guys are being a bit high and mighty for contract pilots.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 09:07
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As a VNA pilot an "offer" to progress from a 321 to a 350 (or 330 to 350) means you have to pay for your own typerating and bribe the examiner.
About $70.000 alltogether I believe.
Hardly an offer I'd say...
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The a330s were finished when the 350 arrived. Plenty of option to convert to the 350. If you didnít take them up on it then you wouldnít have had a job.

5 year contract with termination option for both parties if you ever read it properly. I am sure you were treated in accordance with your contract.

Or are you suggesting you should have been paid for 2 years with no plane to fly????

Watching the wind down of the 330 was like watching paint dry. You had plenty of warning.

To be honest you are accusing them of lying, when in fact you were treated as per your contract that you signed as having read and understood. If you didnít take up the A350 offer, or failed the course, then you would have been given 2 months termination.

If this is your grounds for an accusation of lying, its a joke.

They lie to me right at the interview, about my futur in VNA.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 11:47
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Originally Posted by Captain Kaboom View Post
As a VNA pilot an "offer" to progress from a 321 to a 350 (or 330 to 350) means you have to pay for your own typerating and bribe the examiner.
About $70.000 alltogether I believe.
Hardly an offer I'd say...
Even If you had the A350 on your licence.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 02:48
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ia1166 mate, with the greatest of respect, you weren't part of the A330 debacle, and I feel like you're trying to defend the indefensible a little bit here

Some of us were senior FOs on A330 for close to a decade, while guys on A321 were typically going right to left within 3 or 4 years.

Most of us turned down job offers at other companies over the years, because we were consistently given the message by management pilots that we would be up for command soon, just wait a little bit more, etc etc. Naive or not, some of us made career decisions on the basis of that.

So when the A350 came, that rug was pulled from under us overnight, and we now got told no commands were available, and we had the choice of being terminated, or paying huge sums of money to keep our job on something that should be a common type rating with A330 anyway. AND we had to commit to another 5 years minimum in the right seat, and get kicked to the back of the command queue

And they gave us the phone call on christmas eve, I know it's a small thing and shouldn't matter but that really p!ssed me off, my wife was in tears all christmas day

They actually seemed to be very surprised when most of us chose resignation. Wizzair came to town and was doing walk in interviews in HCM and Hanoi with the offer of instant commands, QR also did a road show, JPA offered us all interviews etc. By the time they realized their bluff had backfired and they gave command courses to the last 2 guys, everyone else had walked out the door. Everyone knew they needed 321 skips, it was a ridiculous situation.

Yes I know it's the contract world, and it's dog eat dog, and harden up, and expect nothing other than what's written in my contract etc etc. It's easy to say when you're already a very senior captain and you're in a secure position, and you don't have young kids and a family to feed, and you don't have to choose between getting financially wiped out through unemployment, or getting financially wiped out by accepting such a bad deal. I don't blame Balboa or anyone else for feeling angry about that situation. It certainly wasn't sold to us like that by the agencies when we joined.

Having said all that, it's totally racist and unacceptable to say things against "all Viets". The whole thing was essentially the scheme of one guy, and I am very grateful to the local management pilots who reportedly stood up for us in the board meeting and saved some of our jobs in the end.

I like living in VN, I like the people, I like a lot of things about the airline and the operation, I want to finish my career here. All I wanted at that time was what everyone on other fleets was getting, reasonable time to command and no constantly moving goalposts
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 06:30
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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler View Post
ia1166 mate, with the greatest of respect, you weren't part of the A330 debacle, and I feel like you're trying to defend the indefensible a little bit here

Some of us were senior FOs on A330 for close to a decade, while guys on A321 were typically going right to left within 3 or 4 years.

Most of us turned down job offers at other companies over the years, because we were consistently given the message by management pilots that we would be up for command soon, just wait a little bit more, etc etc. Naive or not, some of us made career decisions on the basis of that.

So when the A350 came, that rug was pulled from under us overnight, and we now got told no commands were available, and we had the choice of being terminated, or paying huge sums of money to keep our job on something that should be a common type rating with A330 anyway. AND we had to commit to another 5 years minimum in the right seat, and get kicked to the back of the command queue

And they gave us the phone call on christmas eve, I know it's a small thing and shouldn't matter but that really p!ssed me off, my wife was in tears all christmas day

They actually seemed to be very surprised when most of us chose resignation. Wizzair came to town and was doing walk in interviews in HCM and Hanoi with the offer of instant commands, QR also did a road show, JPA offered us all interviews etc. By the time they realized their bluff had backfired and they gave command courses to the last 2 guys, everyone else had walked out the door. Everyone knew they needed 321 skips, it was a ridiculous situation.

Yes I know it's the contract world, and it's dog eat dog, and harden up, and expect nothing other than what's written in my contract etc etc. It's easy to say when you're already a very senior captain and you're in a secure position, and you don't have young kids and a family to feed, and you don't have to choose between getting financially wiped out through unemployment, or getting financially wiped out by accepting such a bad deal. I don't blame Balboa or anyone else for feeling angry about that situation. It certainly wasn't sold to us like that by the agencies when we joined.

Having said all that, it's totally racist and unacceptable to say things against "all Viets". The whole thing was essentially the scheme of one guy, and I am very grateful to the local management pilots who reportedly stood up for us in the board meeting and saved some of our jobs in the end.

I like living in VN, I like the people, I like a lot of things about the airline and the operation, I want to finish my career here. All I wanted at that time was what everyone on other fleets was getting, reasonable time to command and no constantly moving goalposts
Excellent post, but how is this Bamboo?
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Luke SkyToddler View Post
ia1166 mate, with the greatest of respect, you weren't part of the A330 debacle, and I feel like you're trying to defend the indefensible a little bit here

Some of us were senior FOs on A330 for close to a decade, while guys on A321 were typically going right to left within 3 or 4 years.

Most of us turned down job offers at other companies over the years, because we were consistently given the message by management pilots that we would be up for command soon, just wait a little bit more, etc etc. Naive or not, some of us made career decisions on the basis of that.

So when the A350 came, that rug was pulled from under us overnight, and we now got told no commands were available, and we had the choice of being terminated, or paying huge sums of money to keep our job on something that should be a common type rating with A330 anyway. AND we had to commit to another 5 years minimum in the right seat, and get kicked to the back of the command queue

And they gave us the phone call on christmas eve, I know it's a small thing and shouldn't matter but that really p!ssed me off, my wife was in tears all christmas day

They actually seemed to be very surprised when most of us chose resignation. Wizzair came to town and was doing walk in interviews in HCM and Hanoi with the offer of instant commands, QR also did a road show, JPA offered us all interviews etc. By the time they realized their bluff had backfired and they gave command courses to the last 2 guys, everyone else had walked out the door. Everyone knew they needed 321 skips, it was a ridiculous situation.

Yes I know it's the contract world, and it's dog eat dog, and harden up, and expect nothing other than what's written in my contract etc etc. It's easy to say when you're already a very senior captain and you're in a secure position, and you don't have young kids and a family to feed, and you don't have to choose between getting financially wiped out through unemployment, or getting financially wiped out by accepting such a bad deal. I don't blame Balboa or anyone else for feeling angry about that situation. It certainly wasn't sold to us like that by the agencies when we joined.

Having said all that, it's totally racist and unacceptable to say things against "all Viets". The whole thing was essentially the scheme of one guy, and I am very grateful to the local management pilots who reportedly stood up for us in the board meeting and saved some of our jobs in the end.

I like living in VN, I like the people, I like a lot of things about the airline and the operation, I want to finish my career here. All I wanted at that time was what everyone on other fleets was getting, reasonable time to command and no constantly moving goalposts
As I said, VN has always treated me well, followed the contract and never lied to me. All you guys are bashing them unfairly in my opinion.


as I recall you were offered command on the A320 numerous times but turned it down. If not maybe you should have been pushing for it. Life was very easy on the A330 as an FO. You were also offered RHS A350 numerous times but kept turning it down I heard. Maybe I am wrong.

So you ran out the A330 to the end and then got sacked. After some negotiating you secured a Command on the 320, which you paid for.

And you say you called their bluff? Mate if you had taken command as soon as possible you could be on the A350 LHS now?

In any event job security should be any contract pilots number one priority.

Paying for it is the contract world. I haven’t paid for anything but if I needed to to make my job more secure I would have to.

Staying RHS in a cushy long haul seat and refusing to move to short haul command works fine in Qanats on ANZ os BA, but as a contract pilot it doesn’t work so well to be on a dying fleet. Or to stay RHS too long.

Mate i would love to go to the 787 or at a push the 350. I’ve been on contracts since 2000. The most secure job is LHS A320. If its offered, take it a soon as you can. And then get into training if you can. Not wanting to pay won’t get you anywhere. The next guy on the list will take it instead.

As I said before. You need to read the contract carefully and keep aware of what is happening around you.

You work for a contract company.

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Old 1st Sep 2020, 23:13
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And lets face facts.

The rug that was pulled out from underneath you took 2 years.

Hardly a surprise.

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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
And lets face facts.

The rug that was pulled out from underneath you took 2 years.

Hardly a surprise.
Blablabla blablabla .
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Bamboo website says hiring Ejet drivers. But I thought their Ejets were wet leased from Great Dane. What's the story here?
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 23:55
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Anyone has information on Bamboo Airways interview questions and the process as a whole?
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Originally Posted by hugmie View Post
Hi all,
Does anyone know the latest recruitment status for Bamboo? Before I get any smart comments, I am obviously aware of the situation globally.
The only reason I ask is because I applied recently throught their website and recieved an email from requesting documents and application forms etc. etc..

Have things started to move in that part of the world?

Much obliged!

hi, may i ask what's your qualification? I am a CPL pilot w/ 300+ GA flight hours and A320 T/R, but received negative feedback by mail from BAMBOO
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Mate , no offence, but there is 1000s of pilots with full ATPL + 1000s hours Airbus made redundant in the last 6 months giving bamboo unlimited supply of very qualified pilots.
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hi, may i ask what's your qualification? I am a CPL pilot w/ 300+ GA flight hours and A320 T/R, but received negative feedback by mail from BAMBOO
you should come to my country , many opportunities here.everyone is welcome !
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you should come to my country , many opportunities here.everyone is welcome !
Making fun of a desperate guy, jeez, how classy.
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Rumor has it that LOT Polish Airlines is supporting Bamboo's ops with at least a 787 or Embraer, also crewed by LOT later this winter schedule.

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A LOT of unpaid customers as usual bamboo behaviour, good luck guys
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